Hamas' Stand

Jenin · 07-12-07, 12:36 PM

This is a rare direct communication from a Hamas representative to the American People, and it is a bit interesting. My question is what do you think, after reading this, are the benefits (if any) from talking to the democratically elected Hamas Party officials? Can there be a constructive and honest dialog?

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Hamas' stand
An official of the movement describes its goals for all of Palestine.
By Mousa Abu Marzook, MOUSA ABU MARZOOK is the deputy of the political bureau of Hamas, the Islamic Resistance Movement.
July 10, 2007

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I, for one, do not trouble myself over "recognizing" Israel's right to exist — this is not, after all, an epistemological problem; Israel does exist, as any Rafah boy in a hospital bed, with IDF shrapnel in his torso, can tell you. This dance of mutual rejection is a mere distraction when so many are dying or have lived as prisoners for two generations in refugee camps. As I write these words, Israeli forays into Gaza have killed another 15 people, including a child. Who but a Jacobin dares to discuss the "rights" of nations in the face of such relentless state violence against an occupied population?

I look forward to the day when Israel can say to me, and millions of other Palestinians: "Here, here is your family's house by the sea, here are your lemon trees, the olive grove your father tended: Come home and be whole again." Then we can speak of a future together.

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Summerwind · 07-12-07, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenin

This is a rare direct communication from a Hamas representative to the American People, and it is a bit interesting. My question is what do you think, after reading this, are the benefits (if any) from talking to the democratically elected Hamas Party officials? Can there be a constructive and honest dialog?

Hamas was a democratically selected group; I have thought since the election that the West's response was wrong and hypocritical. To intentionally cripple a country because its people chose a group we don't think is PC enough is wrong.

DivineComedy · 07-12-07, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenin

This is a rare direct communication from a Hamas representative to the American People, and it is a bit interesting. My question is what do you think, after reading this, are the benefits (if any) from talking to the democratically elected Hamas Party officials? Can there be a constructive and honest dialog?

Ok, I read the direct communication from Hamas.

I am an American with an ancestor that signed the Declaration of Independence on one side of the family, and an ancestor that was a Hessian on the other side. Nobody is perfect. I even have an ancestor along the way that willed his plantation to the slaves, and an ancestor that was Cherokee (so I have cousins in Oklahoma). As a result I have no desire to kick the damn Yankee Carpetbaggers out of the South, but I know where Robert E. Lee‘s birthday would go on the calendar.

So I could care less if Israel wants to give away the property/land they have legally purchased, settled, or conquered according to all the known and accepted rules of law and warfare at the time, going way back before anyone ever heard of a Christian, it is Israeli land/property. Now, as for so-called “Palestinians,” sorry, the word isn’t in my grandmother’s dictionary, I can support a dialog with your people, and I am sure Israel can too, no problem…

When your people cut every single Hamas head off, and put them on platters garnished with potatoes, parsley, and sweet tasty munchies, then “Palestinians” and Americans can both sit at the same table for dinner and can have “a constructive and honest dialog” with Hamas.

It’s a Deir Yassin kind of thing, you understand that don‘t you?

Jenin · 07-12-07, 06:05 PM

DC,

I disagree with your politics and understanding of history. This is something I am very sure about.

But I have to admit that your style of writing is attractive. I always enjoy your random personal stories, and I thought the "HI Jack" line was hilarious.

I also thank you for the beautiful picture of the Gaza sea you posted. I actually saved it and have it as a desktop background.

EAGLE1 · 07-12-07, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DivineComedy

Ok, I read the direct communication from Hamas.

I am an American with an ancestor that signed the Declaration of Independence on one side of the family, and an ancestor that was a Hessian on the other side. Nobody is perfect. I even have an ancestor along the way that willed his plantation to the slaves, and an ancestor that was Cherokee (so I have cousins in Oklahoma). As a result I have no desire to kick the damn Yankee Carpetbaggers out of the South, but I know where Robert E. Lee‘s birthday would go on the calendar.

So I could care less if Israel wants to give away the property/land they have legally purchased, settled, or conquered according to all the known and accepted rules of law and warfare at the time, going way back before anyone ever heard of a Christian, it is Israeli land/property. Now, as for so-called “Palestinians,” sorry, the word isn’t in my grandmother’s dictionary, I can support a dialog with your people, and I am sure Israel can too, no problem…

When your people cut every single Hamas head off, and put them on platters garnished with potatoes, parsley, and sweet tasty munchies, then “Palestinians” and Americans can both sit at the same table for dinner and can have “a constructive and honest dialog” with Hamas.

It’s a Deir Yassin kind of thing, you understand that don‘t you?

Hmmm is that a no then?

cherokee · 07-12-07, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DivineComedy

Ok, I read the direct communication from Hamas.

I am an American with an ancestor that signed the Declaration of Independence on one side of the family, and an ancestor that was a Hessian on the other side. Nobody is perfect. I even have an ancestor along the way that willed his plantation to the slaves, and an ancestor that was Cherokee (so I have cousins in Oklahoma). As a result I have no desire to kick the damn Yankee Carpetbaggers out of the South, but I know where Robert E. Lee‘s birthday would go on the calendar.

So I could care less if Israel wants to give away the property/land they have legally purchased, settled, or conquered according to all the known and accepted rules of law and warfare at the time, going way back before anyone ever heard of a Christian, it is Israeli land/property. Now, as for so-called “Palestinians,” sorry, the word isn’t in my grandmother’s dictionary, I can support a dialog with your people, and I am sure Israel can too, no problem…

When your people cut every single Hamas head off, and put them on platters garnished with potatoes, parsley, and sweet tasty munchies, then “Palestinians” and Americans can both sit at the same table for dinner and can have “a constructive and honest dialog” with Hamas.

It’s a Deir Yassin kind of thing, you understand that don‘t you?

Damn that sounds good.
I'm hungry Lets eat.
I got dibbs on the eyes!

cherokee · 07-12-07, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

Hamas was a democratically selected group; I have thought since the election that the West's response was wrong and hypocritical. To intentionally cripple a country because its people chose a group we don't think is PC enough is wrong.

Yes they were elected. Good for them... but we don’t support terrorist groups who love to march around with signs that read “Death to America” so the aid went bye-bye. Its our right to give money to anyone we please, same goes for Israel.

So that the past and here is today.
The Hamas committed a violent overthrow of Gaza, Abbas who is the president declared the hamas government dissolved, which is within his powers as the president.

Hamas could just give up and allow Abbas work out the peace deals with Israel so that everyone can win but they wont.
In that case they can suffer in Gaza or die by hamas while trying to escape.
Abbas is becoming stronger with the influx of money and supplies it may only be a matter of time before he chokes off Gaza. (we can only hope)

No matter what the people of Gaza have to decide.
The chance for peace and prosperity with Abbas or death with the Hamas and the other Islamic dogs.

Jenin · 07-12-07, 07:20 PM

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but we don’t support terrorist groups who love to march around with signs that read “Death to America” so the aid went bye-bye. Its our right to give money to anyone we please, same goes for Israel.

Terrorism is a relative term. And I agree that the US gov and Israel are not obliged to fund Hamas. But why blockade and sanction Gaza? Why punish the Palestinians for exercising their democratic rights?

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The Hamas committed a violent overthrow of Gaza, Abbas who is the president declared the hamas government dissolved, which is within his powers as the president.

Violent indeed. Not an overthrow in the eyes of the overwhelming majority of Gazans. It was Fatah and their Israeli backers that were seen as the coup plotters by most Gazans.

Remember Hamas was elected in Gaza, fatah was not.

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Hamas could just give up and allow Abbas work out the peace deals with Israel so that everyone can win but they wont.

Hamas and the Gazans in their majority that elected them believe with much evidence that Israel was not working anything out with Abbas. I think an international conference needs to be called immediately to resolve the conflict conclusively. Playing Hamas and Fatah off against each other is how Gazans see Israeli/American policy currently.

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In that case they can suffer in Gaza or die by hamas while trying to escape.

umm..

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Abbas is becoming stronger with the influx of money and supplies it may only be a matter of time before he chokes off Gaza. (we can only hope)

The Irony of a cherokee speaking the way you do still gets to me.

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The chance for peace and prosperity with Abbas

From day one, Hamas was sanctioned from the New world Order. Abbas could not pay the salaries or clean the streets. Hamas voulenteers did alot of that. Hamas and Abbas split and Abbas pays off all the Fatah people. In the eyes of Gazans, Abbas is an asset of Israeli continued occupation and the whole coup against the elected Hamas government was planned and started from day one. They didnt like the results so they played their cards to it.

Gardener · 07-12-07, 08:32 PM

Typical prattle from terrorist filth.

Anybody who supports these Nazis is also filth.

The people of the palestinian territories knowingly elected them. THey made their bed and now deserve nothing but to lie in it.

DivineComedy · 07-12-07, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenin

Playing Hamas and Fatah off against each other is how Gazans see Israeli/American policy currently.

We see terrorists screaming as they pass us by to kill each other, and we say, “what a fine example of 'Terrorism is a relative term,' that Doppler Effect sounds so sweet, God is the greatest, God is the greatest!

Brains…Brains…