Solar variations not behind global warming: study

danarhea · 07-10-07, 08:19 PM

This finding from the Royal Society in Great Britain puts the final nail in the coffin of those loonies who were attempting to claim that the sun itself was responsible for the rise in global temperatures during the last 20 years.

Article is here.

Kasmos · 07-11-07, 11:04 AM

What!? ANOTHER study that support global warming?

Those dirty Nazi scientists and their inconvenient truth that humans are fvcking up the world.... I say they must burn!

rivrrat · 07-11-07, 11:28 AM

Yeah.. those "loonies" who think the sun is responsible for heating the earth. What a bunch of ignorance! The sun! Heating the earth! It's unheard of pseudo-science, paranormal crap!

I don't know how in the world anyone could ever believe that the sun is responsible for our global temperatures.

Everyone knows it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster who uses a little thermostat in his pasta bowl to control our global temps. Sheesh.

The sun. HA!

danarhea · 07-11-07, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

Yeah.. those "loonies" who think the sun is responsible for heating the earth. What a bunch of ignorance! The sun! Heating the earth! It's unheard of pseudo-science, paranormal crap!

I don't know how in the world anyone could ever believe that the sun is responsible for our global temperatures.

Everyone knows it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster who uses a little thermostat in his pasta bowl to control our global temps. Sheesh.

The sun. HA!

Did you read the article?

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The sun's changing energy levels are not to blame for recent global warming and, if anything, solar variations over the past 20 years should have had a cooling effect, scientists said on Wednesday.

rivrrat · 07-11-07, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Did you read the article?

Yeah, just another article that contradicts other articles that contradict each other.

The earth isn't heating up much, and so what if it is? The earth has gone through heating and cooling cycles for millions of years, and did so long before humans were around. This time we're around and we're arrogant enough to think that somehow we're the cause. (cause you know, we're responsible for everything that happens with the earth and in the known universe cause we're just that significant)

Kasmos · 07-11-07, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

Yeah, just another article that contradicts other articles that contradict each other.

The earth isn't heating up much, and so what if it is? The earth has gone through heating and cooling cycles for millions of years, and did so long before humans were around. This time we're around and we're arrogant enough to think that somehow we're the cause. (cause you know, we're responsible for everything that happens with the earth and in the known universe cause we're just that significant)

When in our Earth's history did we have an industrial age? Did we have billions of cars burning gasoline everyday? Has our greenhouse gas concentration in the Earth been so high?

rivrrat · 07-11-07, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasmos

When in our Earth's history did we have an industrial age? Did we have billions of cars burning gasoline everyday? Has our greenhouse gas concentration in the Earth been so high?

And yet it still went through heating and cooling cycles.

Cremaster77 · 07-11-07, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

And yet it still went through heating and cooling cycles.

How hard is to understand it's not just that the earth is warming, it's the process by which it is happening. Global warming has never occurred from man-made causes before. The concern is therefore, is that this warming trend will not subside as normal global warming and cooling trends do. The cause is key. For example, there have been numerous periods of global cooling. Yet when there's an aberrant cause, such as an asteroid hitting the Earth, the net effect is extinction of 70-95% of the species on Earth. So you can't just look at this global warming trend as if it were any other trend, because the bulk of the evidence supports that this warming trend is directly related to man-made causes.

The difference between this warming trend and other aberrations such as asteroid collisions is that we can actually do something about abating the cause. Can't do much when an asteroid hits the Earth causing a crater the size of Antarctica. We can try to curtail global warming emissions.

dixon76710 · 07-11-07, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

This finding from the Royal Society in Great Britain puts the final nail in the coffin of those loonies who were attempting to claim that the sun itself was responsible for the rise in global temperatures during the last 20 years.

Article is here.

What an ignorant article and study, if the article accurately reflects the study.
The theory supposedly being refuted is that cosmic rays cause cloud formations, cloud formations cool the earth. Fewer cosmic rays reaching the earth, fewer clouds and more global warming. Precisely the opposite of what the article claim is being refuted.

danarhea · 07-11-07, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

What an ignorant article and study, if the article accurately reflects the study.
The theory supposedly being refuted is that cosmic rays cause cloud formations, cloud formations cool the earth. Fewer cosmic rays reaching the earth, fewer clouds and more global warming. Precisely the opposite of what the article claim is being refuted.

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With inserts by me:

A dwindling group (which includes dixon) pins the blame on natural variations in the climate system, or a gradual rise in the sun's energy output.
In order to unpick that possible link, Mike Lockwood of Britain's Rutherford Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich of the World Radiation Centre in Davos, Switzerland, studied factors that could have forced climate change in recent decades, including variations in total solar irradiance and cosmic rays.
The data was smoothed to take account of the 11-year sunspot cycle, which affects the amount of heat the sun emits but does not impact the Earth's surface air temperature, due to the way the oceans absorb and retain heat.
They concluded that the rapid rise in global mean temperatures seen since the late 1980s could not be ascribed to solar variability, whatever mechanism was invoked.

You did not tell the truth, and you also deliberately misrepresented the article, so for the record, I reprinted a little of the article, with my insertion of your name, also for the record. I will insert your name one more time too:

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"At present there is a small minority (including dixon) which is seeking to deliberately confuse the public on the causes of climate change. They are often misrepresenting the science, when the reality is that the evidence is getting stronger every day," it said in a statement.