Bush Commutes Libby Sentence

reaganburch · 07-03-07, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

The way I see it, there should not be one standard of justice for Bush and Cheney and another standard for everyone else. Even Paris Hilton had to do jail time. Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers. BTW, Shall we commute the sentence of Mumia abu-Jamal? Oh, that's right. He isn't white enough.

So how much does the rule of law mean to the Bushneviks? We just found out.

Dude, you just quoted Dick Durbin.... my eyes, my eyes!!!!

danarhea · 07-03-07, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by reaganburch

Dude, you just quoted Dick Durbin.... my eyes, my eyes!!!!

Actually, Durbin made sense this time. As for the Jamal sentence, I edited that out as too incendiary. Sorry for putting it in the first time.

reaganburch · 07-03-07, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Actually, Durbin made sense this time. As for the Jamal sentence, I edited that out as too incendiary. Sorry for putting it in the first time.

Don't even know who the Jamal guy is...

My only question on this is, what's the normal/average sentence for this type of conviction? If he got MORE than that, then it was an unfair sentence. IMO, Paris Hilton IS like a fart in a mitten; however, she did get hosed considering she DID serve more than the average citizen....

danarhea · 07-03-07, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by reaganburch

Don't even know who the Jamal guy is...

My only question on this is, what's the normal/average sentence for this type of conviction? If he got MORE than that, then it was an unfair sentence. IMO, Paris Hilton IS like a fart in a mitten; however, she did get hosed considering she DID serve more than the average citizen....

I guess the whole point is that nobody should be above the law, and in putting his cronies above the law, Bush is no better than Clinton pardoning a drug dealer.

reaganburch · 07-03-07, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

I guess the whole point is that nobody should be above the law, and in putting his cronies above the law, Bush is no better than Clinton pardoning a drug dealer.

Nobody should be above the law, but we should all be equal in the eyes of the law....

I don't know that 30 months is a normal sentence for this type of conviction, but I don't know that it isn't. For example, if the normal sentence is $10,000 fine and 6 months probation, then Libby got hosed unfairly... if it it's 30 months in jail and a $250,000 fine, then he got exactly what he should have gotten...

danarhea · 07-03-07, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by reaganburch

Nobody should be above the law, but we should all be equal in the eyes of the law....

I don't know that 30 months is a normal sentence for this type of conviction, but I don't know that it isn't. For example, if the normal sentence is $10,000 fine and 6 months probation, then Libby got hosed unfairly... if it it's 30 months in jail and a $250,000 fine, then he got exactly what he should have gotten...

We are talking about obstruction of justice and perjury here. Look at the sentence of David Safavian. Look at the sentence of John Dean. Look at the sentences of just about everyone who has been convicted of obstruction of justice who are NOT politicians. Those sentences are long, but even 30 months for any politician is not a bad deal. Yes, Bush does hold his friends to a different legal standard than Joe American.

26 X World Champs · 07-03-07, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

At least Bush was not a coward like "Slick Willie" and wait until the last day of his presidency to pardon the pedophile and Mark Rich and then slink out the door like the snake he is.........

You just can't stop writing about Clinton now can you?

Somehow I knew that of all the partisans in this Forum you Navy Pride would be the one to regularly refer back to Clinton because you're quite the hypocrite. You can't be pis$ed off at one President for using the pardon and not the other one because that is partisan bull****...something you're quite good at as your posts in this thread have proven, again.

dixon76710 · 07-03-07, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

We are talking about obstruction of justice and perjury here. Look at the sentence of David Safavian. Look at the sentence of John Dean. Look at the sentences of just about everyone who has been convicted of obstruction of justice who are NOT politicians. Those sentences are long, but even 30 months for any politician is not a bad deal. Yes, Bush does hold his friends to a different legal standard than Joe American.

Safavian, about 18 months. Dean? he didnt go to jail. He went to a safe house for about 4 months. You are kind of making the point you are trying to refute.

26 X World Champs · 07-03-07, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Bush should have given him a full pardon.....That would really torque the jaws of our left wing friends.........Hopefully he will give him a full pardon on the last day of his presidency...........

It's good to see that in this post you're fulling exposing your hypocrisy, again!

You whine about Marc Rich et al because you perceived that he was a criminal but you're joyous over the convicted felon Scooter Libby being freed. Doesn't get more hypocritical than that Navy Pride, even for you this is a new standard of LOW....

LaMidRighter · 07-03-07, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

We are talking about obstruction of justice and perjury here. Look at the sentence of David Safavian. Look at the sentence of John Dean. Look at the sentences of just about everyone who has been convicted of obstruction of justice who are NOT politicians. Those sentences are long, but even 30 months for any politician is not a bad deal. Yes, Bush does hold his friends to a different legal standard than Joe American.

This one was very convoluted to start. I think the president did the right thing here simply for the fact that the nature of the original "crime" was debateable. I feel that Scooter Libby was convicted of a crime that had no bearing on the original investigation simply for the fact that the original charge was not a crime. Whether or not Libby actually lied is debateable as well, we have all blanked on a date here or there in our lives, if he did intentionally lie then he should be where he is exactly now, pay fines, two years of probation, felon status, etc. etc. but since the original charge was bogus that should have been the sentence if he did willfully obstruct justice and commit perjury IMHO. I think the president should have pardoned him simply because it is within his constitutional authority, I didn't so much like the commuting of the sentence because I feel that should be solely a judges authority and not the executives, but it was legal......so......this is a non-issue in my mind after that.
BTW: I don't agree with some of the Clinton pardons, however I extend him the same courtesy because the pardons are within his constitutional executive privaledges.

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