Bush Commutes Libby Sentence

missypea · 07-06-07, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

The fact that I don't like is that not a one of you can show one perjury quote of Libby and the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that proves it's perjury.

Here is all the evidence any Patriotic American

should need. Just read the headlines:

Libby Found Guilty in CIA Leak Case - washingtonpost.com

Jury convicts Libby on four charges - Politics - MSNBC.com

JURIST - Paper Chase: Libby found guilty in CIA leak trial

from your own boys at Fox: FOXNews.com - I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby Guilty on Four of Five Counts in CIA Leak Trial - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Libby found guilty in CIA leak trial | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

GOP: Verdict about Libby; Dems say it's bigger - USATODAY.com

aps · 07-06-07, 08:42 AM

I don't know if this has been raised in this thread. I don't have the time to read through the entire thread.

Marc Rich, who got a presidential pardon from Bill Clinton--do you all know that his attorney was no other than Scooter Libby? Interesting.....

oldreliable67 · 07-06-07, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Although this is all review of recent history that some people refuse to acknowledge, I'm pleased to post it one more time.

First you have to recognize that Plame was covert.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CSPAN-Plame-Covert.mov

Second you have to recognize that Libby was tried by a jury and found guilty of lying/obstructing
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Col...ibby-Juror.mov
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The Bush Crime Family protects itself, and rewards it's thug, with the only thing it can do.....a commutation.

First, I tried your links and found nothing recognizable with respect to the specifics of the topic that you suggested. Did I miss it--certainly could have--or are your links incorrect?

Second, your BDS is showing in your choice of writing style. Speaking strictly for myself, your comments would be worthy of considerably more attention if you would avoid the blatant partisanship. Such displays tend to appeal mainly to those who would already agree with you anyway. Moreover, your style suggests the futility of trying find an informed pragmatic opinion in what you have written, thus discouraging others from (seriously) considering what you have written. Just my opinion; certainly others will disagree.

missypea · 07-06-07, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aps

I don't know if this has been raised in this thread. I don't have the time to read through the entire thread.

Marc Rich, who got a presidential pardon from Bill Clinton--do you all know that his attorney was no other than Scooter Libby? Interesting.....

Yes, I did read that and thought it was interesting too. I think the headline was "Six Degrees of Separation" or something like that

BWG · 07-06-07, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aps

I don't know if this has been raised in this thread. I don't have the time to read through the entire thread.

Marc Rich, who got a presidential pardon from Bill Clinton--do you all know that his attorney was no other than Scooter Libby? Interesting.....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...tml#post585123

missypea · 07-06-07, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oldreliable67

First, I tried your links and found nothing recognizable with respect to the specifics of the topic that you suggested. Did I miss it--certainly could have--or are your links incorrect?

Second, your BDS is showing in your choice of writing style. Speaking strictly for myself, your comments would be worthy of considerably more attention if you would avoid the blatant partisanship. Such displays tend to appeal mainly to those who would already agree with you anyway. Moreover, your style suggests the futility of trying find an informed pragmatic opinion in what you have written, thus discouraging others from (seriously) considering what you have written. Just my opinion; certainly others will disagree.

I'm sure they are others who disagree.

Here's the thing. I absolutely loath this administration and the corruption it has brought to our government and our country. If partisan means I hate a corrupt government then feel free to call me partisan. I'll wear the title with pride.

What this administration has done to our freedoms, our citizens, human rights, and our reputation is unforgivable. You may carry all the water you want for the Bush Crime Family, I (and others) will continue to poke holes in your bucket.

aps · 07-06-07, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BWG

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...tml#post585123

LOL! I should have known that my esteemed poster, BWG, would have addressed this issue! Yee-haw!!

Stinger · 07-06-07, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Although this is all review of recent history that some people refuse to acknowledge, I'm pleased to post it one more time.

Nope you guys keep citing the indictment and making unsupported assertions.

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First you have to recognize that Plame was covert.

Not under the law and Libby was not charged with anything to do with her status at the CIA, no one was. Moot point. The ONLY charge against him was whether he mentioned her name on a Monday or a Tuesday.

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Second you have to recognize that Libby was tried by a jury and found guilty of lying/obstructing

We can all agree to the stipulation that he did go to trial and the jury said he was gulity OK. You don't need to keep repeating that. OK. The question is what was the evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby knowingly and purposely lied for the purpose of obstructing justice. We still are waiting you an answer.

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You can disagree with either of those two facts all you wish, but it doesn't change the fact that Plame was covert.

Not under the law the and the trial judge specifically disalllowed any discussion of her status at the trial. Why do you keep bringing that up?

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Nor does it change the fact that Libby was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty.

See above.

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Now we get to why in the world would Libby obstruct an investigation into the leak of Plame? Why indeed. We need look no further than the Bush Crime Family values....

So Libby was on trial and was to go to jail because of crimes committed by someone else. What a fine judicial system you support.

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for that answer. A Quote from Nancy Pelosi, “Today's guilty verdicts are not solely about the acts of one individual.”

Maybe you and Ms. Pelosi need to refresher course in our system of justice.

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Paraphrasing the juror from above video, “Libby was tasked to commit this leak by Cheney.”
NATIONAL JOURNAL: The Libby-Cheney Connection (02/19/2007)

It had already been leaked and besides that it was not even a secret and most important HE WAS NOT ON TRIAL FOR THAT.

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This jury believed that Cheney had tasked Libby to leak the classified information on Plame.

Which had nothing to do with what he was charged with. Why was he going to jail for something he was not charged with?

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That wasn't the job they set out to do, it was a discovery during the trial.

So you believe we have a system of inquisitions and not fair trials, how lovely.

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If a jury NOT investigating the connection to Cheney can find it,

Even if they did, there was no crime involved.

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Plame was covert

Not under the law.

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Cheney ordered the leak classified information

Nope it had already been leaked and Libby wasn't charged with that anyway.

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Libby leaked classified information

Not proven. Armitage first mentioned her name, but then many reporters already knew it and where she worked.

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Libby gets indicted

Because his memory of unimportant events was a little worse than others.

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Libby protects the Bush Crime Family with more lies/obstruction

Protects them from what?

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Libby is found guilty by a jury of his peers

After the prosecutor brings in things he wasn't even charged with and not allowed to defend against.

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A judge remands Libby to begin serving time immediately

And Bush rightly commutes the sentence.

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The Bush Crime Family cannot risk Libby talking. If Libby is sent to prison, he may talk.

About what?

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The Bush Crime Family cannot risk Libby talking.

About what?

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If Libby is pardoned, he cannot plead the 5th and will be forced to talk to congress.

He can't plead the 5th now, he already talked.

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The Bush Crime Family protects itself, and rewards it's thug, with the only thing it can do.....a commutation.

Against what?

aps · 07-06-07, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

I'm sure they are others who disagree.

Here's the thing. I absolutely loath this administration and the corruption it has brought to our government and our country. If partisan means I hate a corrupt government then feel free to call me partisan. I'll wear the title with pride.

What this administration has done to our freedoms, our citizens, human rights, and our reputation is unforgivable. You may carry all the water you want for the Bush Crime Family, I (and others) will continue to poke holes in your bucket.

LOL I see oldreliable is giving you the same kind of treatment as he gave me....right before I put him in "ignore."

He is obsessed with asserting that anyone who doesn't like this adminsitration has BDS. *total yawn*

Stinger · 07-06-07, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

I'm sure they are others who disagree.

Here's the thing. I absolutely loath this administration and the corruption it has brought to our government and our country. If partisan means I hate a corrupt government then feel free to call me partisan. I'll wear the title with pride.

What this administration has done to our freedoms, our citizens, human rights, and our reputation is unforgivable. You may carry all the water you want for the Bush Crime Family, I (and others) will continue to poke holes in your bucket.

What did you think about several people at the CIA cooking up a plot to discredit our Foreign Policy and lie to the American People about Saddam Hussien? Are you lobbying for Plame to be charged with perjury and obstruction of justice?

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