Bush Commutes Libby Sentence

Hatuey · 07-05-07, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Apparently you don't know that the Justice Department's position on Executive pardons is at the discretion of the President and the President's Constitutional authority to pardon is absolute.

Don't you understand that a "commutation" applies to people already serving time?

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Section 1-2.113 Standards for Considering Commutation Petitions

A commutation of sentence reduces the period of incarceration; it does not imply forgiveness of the underlying offense, but simply remits a portion of the punishment. It has no effect upon the underlying conviction and does not necessarily reflect upon the fairness of the sentence originally imposed. Requests for commutation generally are not accepted unless and until a person has begun serving that sentence. Nor are commutation requests generally accepted from persons who are presently challenging their convictions or sentences through appeal or other court proceeding.

The President may commute a sentence to time served or he may reduce a sentence, either merely for the purpose of advancing an inmate's parole eligibility or to achieve the inmate's release after a specified period of time. Commutation may be granted upon conditions similar to those imposed pursuant to parole or supervised release or, in the case of an alien, upon condition of deportation.

Generally, commutation of sentence is an extraordinary remedy that is rarely granted. Appropriate grounds for considering commutation have traditionally included disparity or undue severity of sentence, critical illness or old age, and meritorious service rendered to the government by the petitioner, e.g., cooperation with investigative or prosecutive efforts that has not been adequately rewarded by other official action. A combination of these and/or other equitable factors may also provide a basis for recommending commutation in the context of a particular case. ...

Libby hasn't served any time. He didn't even apply for a pardon/commutation. He was just given one. It is obvious that a president that Bush clearly went out of his way to save Libby. Why?

Stinger · 07-05-07, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

But corruption like this really causes one to rethink the pardon process.
If a President/Vice President...et al.....can break the law and then use a scapegoat such as Libby to coverup the misconduct so that they are shielded.....and then overturn the scapegoats sentence as payment for loyalty after a conviction by a jury trial.....where is the accountability? where is the responsibility?

Since no one broke the law and there was nothing to cover up it seems your protestations are specious.

disneydude · 07-05-07, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Since no one broke the law and there was nothing to cover up it seems your protestations are specious.

Ignorance is bliss.....I would expect no less than a denial from you Stinger, since you are by far the biggest Bush apologist on this board.
If you cannot see the transparency of this administrations repeated efforts to expose, smear, etc those who are a threat to their neo-con agenda....I can't help you. This is just another example, to add to the laundry list.....attorney general firings.....etc.

Stinger · 07-05-07, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Stinger

Since no one broke the law and there was nothing to cover up it seems your protestations are specious.

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Originally Posted by disneydude

Ignorance is bliss.....I would expect no less than a denial from you Stinger, since you are by far the biggest Bush apologist on this board.
If you cannot see the transparency of this administrations repeated efforts to expose, smear, etc those who are a threat to their neo-con agenda....I can't help you. This is just another example, to add to the laundry list.....attorney general firings.....etc.

Let's see how many times have I asked you to specifically detail what the obstruction of justice was and what the alleged cover up was, about a dozen? How many times have you responded? None.

If you still can't see the fraud the Wilson's were trying to pull on you and the duty the Bush administration had to expose it then you are just in denial. And trying to use the perfectly legal and constitutional dismissals of a few US Attorney's just proves the weakness of your case.

Do you really fall for these Democrat shams?

disneydude · 07-05-07, 09:09 AM

I have to hand it to you Stinger....at least you are admitting that the Bush regime orchestrated the exposure of Plame.....something even the administration won't admit.....maybe there is still hope for you afterall.

Stinger · 07-05-07, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

I have to hand it to you Stinger....at least you are admitting that the Bush regime orchestrated the exposure of Plame.....something even the administration won't admit.....maybe there is still hope for you afterall.

I have to hand it to you Disney, you have dodged answering the salient question for months now. And continue to lie in the process.

Where did I say
"the Bush regime orchestrated the exposure of Plame"?

They exposed the lies Wilson told, reporters exposed Plame, but then her employment at the CIA was not a secret.

So when are you going to detail the obstruction of justice and the evidence that proved Libby purposely and knowingly lied for the purpose of obstructing justice and what was the obstruction since Fitzgerald already knew how Plame's name got into the Novak column in the first place.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Don't you understand that a "commutation" applies to people already serving time?

Don't you know that those standards come at the discrtetion of the President and that the Presidents capacity to pardon is absolute?

Stinger · 07-05-07, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Don't you understand that a "commutation" applies to people already serving time?

Libby hasn't served any time. He didn't even apply for a pardon/commutation. He was just given one. It is obvious that a president that Bush clearly went out of his way to save Libby. Why?

He had been ordered to report to prison. What is your point. He had to set one foot into the prison before Bush could commute his sentence?

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by missypea

Fitzgerald was appointed a special prosecuter and charged with find out where the leak came from. His investigation showed that there was more than one leak.

That's an out and out lie, prove it.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 07-05-07, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

He had been ordered to report to prison. What is your point. He had to set one foot into the prison before Bush could commute his sentence?

They just don't seem to comprehend the Constitutional Powers of the president kind of like with the firing of the FA's.

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