If you cannot read the screen names of my opponents whom I’ve called neo-barbarians, neo-pagans and neo cannibals, I hope you still have an intellectual ability to read your own name.
Are you kidding me? So Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; and Colossians 4:1 are figments of my imagination?
No, they are not. And I am not kidding. The intellectual pornography is to say that the Bible is SUNCTIONING slavery. It is the same as to say that ‘’give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give God what is God ‘’ is sanctioning the power of the Caesar and monarchy. You would have to be who you are in order to imagine that establishing slavery and/or any political system is SANCTIONED by the Bible. If one puts Biblical passages about slavery together and into historical sequence and perspective, one cannot, in right mind, make a conclusion that the Bible is Sanctioning slavery. And so I did – I put them together and into perspective and submitted for ppl with normal intellect. Your perverted intellect cannot grasp the simple concept, that you have to take in consideration, reply or question, but not to ignore, premises and arguments of an opponent that lead the opponent to a conclusion, before stating your opinion that the conclusion is wrong. Or, at least, you have to provide some arguments how the 3 scriptures, pointed by you are different or contradicting to my quotes, and how in the world they SANCTION slavery, as a principal of Christianity.
Even the neo-cannibal politic analyst is capable of grasping such a simple concept, -he, at least, made an attempt to address some of my arguments that looked wrong to him. I am not sure I can put you on the same level of a neo-barbarian as him, you’d rather should be found on a level of a Ne-o-anderthal .
So what are your contra-arguments, if any?
I am quite sure everything Atheists say is in the bible, is actually there.
You belief is blind, as well as many other of your beliefs, and, as always, it is not supported by facts. I am still waiting to see where in the Bible Christ is a supreme leader for Christians and where he addressed punishment of slaves. Neither you nor other atheists can say what is actually in the Bible. One of the reasons, as I have pointed, is that the Bible is grossly about spiritual things that may difficult for shallow souls to understand.
All of the criticisms of your scripture in say "The God Delusion" are valid.
As long as you say so. A Ne-oandertal does not need to cite premises and arguments to support his conclusions, they are valid because he believes in them.
And atheists are not fighting for a world where Christianity is oppressed. Simply one where people acknowledge that faith is not a virtue, and that we should never cease to scrutinize the reasons people have the beliefs that they do, that effect their lives and our so.
OK, you can put my words in your way. It is correct, in your world you would scrutinize Christian beliefs; but you would not scrutinize your beliefs, whatever cannibalistic they are. The first cannibalistic belief of yours is that faith is not a You have expressed your dream about very directed towards one side oppression.
God showed who the way out of slavery? You do realize that Christians had slaves only up until recently, and there is no historical evidence to support the Exodus story.
This is what I call the intellectual pornography, intellectual fart, showing me your naked butt. The topic does not discuss if the Bible is truth, the topic is to discuss history and relation Christianity and slavery whether the Bible has an evidence or not. And originally the topic was one bull. So, I am far away from my original post, and now you want completely to derail the discussion.
If you do not agree with my premises and arguments – go ahead, argue. Do you disagree that the Bible was given to the enslaved nation called by G-d, “’my people”’? Do you disagree that they were the first and the only treating their slaves as spiritually equal and protecting them - like they were not slaves, but foolish and lazy children, - while surrounded by ruthless, violent and unruly slavery practiced by all other humans? Do you see that I misquoted the passages, do you have passages contradicting to the ones quoted by me?
Christianity was making its way out of slavery imposed on it by the world it was born into and it was a difficult way making Christians to stay strongly on the positions expressed hundreds years and to defend the same positions today, often in the struggle with atheism.
Christians look at slavery as at their past experience, for many who started Christianity were slaves and Christ came for them and completely equated them with others.
Genesis 15 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years.
Exodus IS the historical evidence. You are saying, - it is not an evidence.
Why? – I ask.
- Because it says G-d exists, but I believe, there is no G-d.
- Why do you believe G-d does not exist?
- Because there is no evidence.
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Sure in your mind you are logical.
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A,B,C,D…Z are not events of evidence. Why? Because they say G-d exist. Why G-d does not exist? Because there is no single evidence.
Thus I would rather leave you with Jerry… You make nice partners…
Again you have ignored my repeated Q: WHAT WAS THE CHOICE? Would an African slave be better off if he was a slave of a Muslim, or a slave of an African chief, or if he was a slave owner in Africa, if he was not a slave of a Christian? The best dream of a slave was, as a rule, to become a slave owner, for no better reality was known to the mind of a slave. The way out of mutual violence, slavery, murder due hatred, has not been short and fast, but there has been only way, only light and only truth. And it is still a struggle in the world, as we can see millions of new slaves made by atheists in the XX century, and in this century. God bless all Christian missionaries bringing the way, light and the truth and freedom for the suffering human souls today, right now. And damn you when you say that they bring the Bible sanctioning slavery.
Umm these people oppressed religion because they wanted people to worship the state. These men were not doing the harm they did for the sake of Atheism. Hitler however professed his Christianity.
Hitler, fortunately, had his thoughts steno graphed with a time stamp: 10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
There is no difference between your views, words of other atheists here and Hitler’s. And they are in archives of DP.
No, they did not harm for the sake of atheism. They harmed for the sake of freedom of oppressed people, for the sake of fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general, for the sakeof human well-being and individual responsibility, for secularism, for scientific approach to all aspects of life, etc., for eqaulity of all people in the world.
They could put such principals forward only on the base of atheism, and so they all were atheists, as the matter of fact, no exclusion made. They were the slaves who made their dream true, - they became slave owners, and…. as always, they were not better off than slaves.
They were making rules on the base of science, logic and reasoning. Their fundamental bible “’Capital’’ was dedicated to Darwin and it used the same scientific approach, as Darwin. In order to do make their rules they had to make the first step – to deny any virtue to the rules of G-d. As Hitler was “’professing ‘’ Christianity, they were professing freedom of religion, but they were too impatient to wait for it to ‘’die little by little’’. Atheism was and is a crucial, requred check point, a passport to cannibalism, I mean, communism. It is the base.
I would say that all atheists are potential cannibals and communists, and they are slaves. That is true about myself, since I used to be an atheist. It has been very difficult to squeeze a slave out of myself, a drop by a drop. But freedom is an awsome award. So, I also know that atheists are potentially free men. It is always balancing on an edge for a human in order not to fall into cannibalism, it is always the question of good and evil inside, but there is the light, the way, and the truth that can lead and support.