Volker

The Waffen SS was not like general SS, especially not during the war.
You confuse something here.

This is what I said, there have been attrocities, too, committed by the military, but the persecution of Jewish people was not their task. Maybe I should have said, it was not their task in general.

I see.

No, I have never done so. Do you?

rhinefire

Sunni Triangle-bunches of then there trust me.

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Volker

I don't know, there were news not only from Western or Iraqi sources, but from Pakistani sources, too, about ten thousands of foreign fighters going to Iraq, however, so far not many have been seen there.

Sure, the Islamic side is interested to have this number reported high, because the solidarity thing and how strong they are and so. The Iraqi side is intersted to have this number reported high, because it's not that much their fault then, if there are still fightings. The Americans have an interest to have have this number reported high, because it makes them look better if they fight against international terrorist than against people who defend their own country. Additionally they can blame Syria or Iran for not securing the borderline well enough.

The reality probably looks different.

rhinefire

From reading your post here one would conclude you know all the intellegence there is to know about this region and all the countries and tribes plans and operations connected with it. But isn't the truth you do not, just like the rest of us? What I do know is this is the haeven for everyone to look like everyone else. That is the door for the taliban and therefore they are there.

Volker

Yes, this correct.

There have been Saudis fighting in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya and Chechnyans fighting in Afghanistan. Many of the training camps have been in Afghanistan. Some people living in Germany got training in Afgan camps. Maybe there are Taliban in Iraq, I don't know.

Volker

Rhein Fire was the name of one of the best American Football teams in Germany.

oldreliable67

Oh? What, exactly? IIRC, the Waffen SS divisions were some of Germany's best, most elite combat formations, with, as one military historian put it, "a reputation for reckless aggressiveness in the assault, fanatical defense against enemy attacks, and a reputation for committing savage atrocities." Perhaps the most infamous Waffen SS formation was the "Death's Head" or SS Division Totenkopf, from which came the majority of the concentration camp guards. Right or wrong?

"Not their task in general"? But they did it anyway.

Did you consider that an insulting question? A question that, if you were to answer it, would only drag you down to the extremely low, gutter-level of the person asking it? If you did, then you will understand why I answered Jaguar's question the way I did. If you didn't, then you are continuing to evidence a surprising obtuseness.

Volker

The Totenkopf Division was for guarding the concentration camps. Even though they belonged to the Waffen SS in organization, they existed before and what can you can blame the Waffen SS for is that they accepted this organizational linkage.

No, I did not see this an insulting question. Why should I?

Do you know the saying "Beat your wife on every day. If you don't know why, she knows."

I don't know where it comes from, maybe it's an old Arab saying

oldreliable67

I believe the Waffen SS can be blamed for quite a lot more than that. You admitted that they committed atrocities. I gather from your comments the only objection you have is to the relative number of them, i.e, was it a lot or a few? Or perhaps in your mind, the important question is, "Was it more or less than the American troops committed?" (assuming one believes, as you have said you do, that Americans troops did indeed commit atrocities).

From my study and reading over the years, it seems abundantly clear that German atrocities in WWII, regardless of the organizational affiliated of those who committed them, were surpassed only by the Japanese.

You will deny that, I'm sure. But the record is clear and the evidence abundant.

I admit the question that I posed to you is not nearly of the same degrading and extremely insulting nature as the question posed to me by Jaguar, but I had hoped you would be intelligent enough to recognize the principle. Apparently not. But again, you are doing an excellent job of cloaking whether your seeming obtuseness is real or feigned.

cherokee

. For that time period I posted the US didn’t kill anyone however you buddies had killed 20 people thus far.

Iraq car bomb kills 4, wounds 10 in Shiite area
Attack comes two days after earlier explosions claimed lives of 61 people.

Tell me Jaguar why did your friends kill these people? Did they deserve to die because they went to a market where a car bomb was placed? I think not. The fact is they died because of the little ****te and Sunnia holy war, the war Islam is responsible for, the same war people like you deny because as I have read on Islamic sites “Muslims don’t kill Muslims”. You can blame the US for part of the mess in Iraq but you cant lay all of it at her feet. The people of Iraq were given a chance to rebuild a better country for ALL Iraqi’s from the ashes of Saddam iron fist it’s a shame they decided to fight each other because of a centuries old dispute on who should take over the controls of Islam.

Now I know I'm lumping all Muslims in this and maybe its wrong but one has to ask where is the Muslim outrage over the daily murder in Iraq at the hands of their fellow Muslims? Where are the protests like we saw over a few cartoons? But sure go find a couple of Muslim protests in the past 3 years and tell me "See we protest" then tell me how many people died in Iraq at the hands of fellow Muslims today.