mikhail

Is there actually a single verse that talks about practising peace between believers and non believers?

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GarzaUK

There is no good in much of their secret conferences save (in) him who enjoineth almsgiving and kindness and peace-making among the people. Whoso doeth that, seeking the good pleasure of Allah, We shall bestow on him a vast reward. 4:114

Do not fight wars of aggression. 2:190

It is good to help the poor and make peace. 4:114

Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8

And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61

Men and women should help each other with love and mercy. 30:21

It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42

Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89

Let each person believe (or disbelieve) whatever he or she wishes. 109:1, 6

And many more. But like all of the holy books of the monothestic three, there are verses to contradict the good verses. By the way the lines are above are not word for word quotes, just summaries of the actually verses, what they mean etc.

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nes

That reward is more males only, females don't get anything.

Look down below for my response.

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30)

Fight and not hate and treat EVERYONE fairly? How can you treat someone fairly if your going to fight and kill them?

But your supposed to fight those Jews and Christians even though they been wanting peace.

Men should kill woman who don't wear a black clothing in public covering the entire head except eyes.

I agree, its wrong for the Koran to oppress Jews, Christians, children, and woman.

(Koran 9:29-30) says to fight / kill disbelievers and many other quotes give the same message.

Now read every single word posted below and you'll see how wrong you are.


ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)

O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred... (8:65)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)

FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)

And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51)

The punishment of those who pit themselves against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, except those who repent before you have them in your power (5:33-34)

Believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god: far be it from his glory that He should have a son. (4:171)

What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. THEY DESIRE THAT YOU SHOULD DISBELIEVE AS THEY HAVE DISBELIEVED, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE ALL ALIKE; THEREFORE TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM FRIENDS UNTIL THEY FLY THEIR HOMES IN ALLAH'S WAY; BUT IF THEY TURN BACK, THEN SEIZE THEM AND KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM A FRIEND OR A HELPER. (4:89)

As for those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the punishment (4:56)

Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah - they shall have a severe punishment; and Allah is Mighty, the lord of retribution. (3:4)

[yes the Jews and Muslims are both descendents of Abraham, but here is the attitude towards descendants of Abraham through Isaac (the Jews]: "If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve. Your relationship would not profit you, nor your children, on the day of resurrection; He will decide between you; and Allah sees what you do. Indeed, there is for you a good example in Abraham and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; WE DECLARE OURSELVES TO BE CLEAR OF YOU, AND ENMITY AND HATRED HAVE APPEARED BETWEEN US AND YOU FOREVER UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH ALONE (60:2-4)

Why are liberals always one sided? You just listen to the Islamic crowd, never the other side? You believe those illogical people that carry rugs with them and chant during certain times of day? But not those people who don't do that and you are biased against Jews / Christians?

1069

And this is different from the Bible how?

You must realize, young nes, that females weren't really human until a couple of hundred years ago. They were owned livestock.
Of course archaic religious texts don't refer to them as humans.

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nes

You make no sense! Your confused with what the Church of England did back a few hundred years ago with what the bible teaches?

Your trying to tell me that the bible's teaching is portrayed by a group of "Christians" whose actions differentiate from the bible's teachings.

The bible doesn't refer to men as "humans" either. Show me a quote where the bible refers to men as "humans".

1069

I make impeccable sense.
You lack comprehension skills.
This is not an uncommon trait among teenage boys.
We've been through this before.

I don't know the Church of England from a hole in the ground.
I'm a Southern American Catholic-turned-Atheist; we don't even have the Church of England here.
I assume, as Protestants of some fashion, they read the Bible.
I assume it's the same Bible that Protestants and Catholics alike read here: the misogynistic one written several millenia ago, when females were chattel?

talloulou

I don't think it's that they weren't humans.....more likely they weren't considered people.

Anyway I'm sick of all this talk of both books the bible and the Koran or Quaran (what the heck is it really called?)

What Islam could use, if it is to survive, is a decent leader. One who is alive today to offer up favorable interpretations of whatever the hell the damn book is called.

nes

You said that a several hundred years ago woman were treated as slaves because of the bible. So I proceeded to refute that statement.

And was the bible responsible for government imposing laws that made woman unable to vote / own property or was the king (dictator) responsible? You make it sound as if the bible is responsible for females inability to own land / vote, I think that females inability to own land / vote would still exist with or without the bible a several hundred years ago.

The bible also doesn't say ANYTHING that only a certain gender / age can own land yet you blame the bible for woman's rights a several hundred years ago.


For example, the bible doesn't allow men to have multiple wifes yet people did that a several hundred years ago and some people still do it today (Utah).

GarzaUK

To nes, hey I'm not a big fan of the Koran or the Bible. There are some good passages in the Koran and the Bible and there is a ton of bad **** too.

So the topic in hand "Is there any mention of peace in the quran?"

Short answer. Yes.

nes

The topic in hand "Is there any mention of peace in the quran?" and not "Does the Koran and the Bible have a ton of bad ****?"



There is mention of "peace" but is that the message the Koran is giving?

Maybe that "peace" is only for certain people who don't eat pig meat, who fight Christians and Jews, and pray 5 times a day to some pillar.

I'm just providing evidence that the Koran mentions fighting and killing.