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Old 06-23-07, 08:22 PM   #11
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Re: Legislators pro-life until it costs money...

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So you're suggesting harsh jail sentences for women who have abortions? How many years, and how harsh? What punishment for the person doing the abortion? What punishment for the father?
Actually if there were to be heavier abortion regulations I would think the dr. violating the regulations would get the harsher penalty. The abortionist is the one actually violating the regulations.

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Actually, people tend to obey laws when they think they might be caught. It's a safe bet that women don't believe they will be caught having abortions. They may use herbs or medicinal abortion. They will go out of the country if they can afford it.
And some of them might just have their baby.

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How much more jail space do you think will be needed? How much more manpower to enforce the law? What will be the total cost to enforce the anti-abortion law? Will we have officers to supervise monthly pregnancy tests for all women of childbearing age? How far are you willing to go violating women's civil rights to enforce this ban?
Drs. who perform abortions would loose their license, pay fines, ect till breaking the law was no longer profitable. If they continued repeatedly then yeah toss 'em in jail.

I do agree with you that "regulating" any changed abortion laws is one of the most likely reasons that the laws will never change. It would be incredibly tough to prove gestational ages, misscarriage vs. induced abortion, ect ect. And I know drs. now do abortions and call them something else both in the patients chart as well as on the OR schedule. So yeah definitely regulation would be nearly impossible.

I myself would just like to see it regulated a bit more so that the public regard for it was disdain vs social acceptance. I hate to see generations raised on the idea that it is okay for one human to kill another just because they want to. I especially hate the idea of a mother killing her offspring. I think that we'd be better off if most people viewed the practice as something one normally wouldn't do unless there was a medical reason.

I'd like to see our culture embrace the idea that biological parents have an undeniable responsibility towards their children that shouldn't be negated. Something along the lines of real men don't walk away....and obviously real women shouldn't flush away either.
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Re: Legislators pro-life until it costs money...

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Actually if there were to be heavier abortion regulations I would think the dr. violating the regulations would get the harsher penalty. The abortionist is the one actually violating the regulations.

And some of them might just have their baby.

Drs. who perform abortions would loose their license, pay fines, ect till breaking the law was no longer profitable. If they continued repeatedly then yeah toss 'em in jail.

I do agree with you that "regulating" any changed abortion laws is one of the most likely reasons that the laws will never change. It would be incredibly tough to prove gestational ages, misscarriage vs. induced abortion, ect ect. And I know drs. now do abortions and call them something else both in the patients chart as well as on the OR schedule. So yeah definitely regulation would be nearly impossible.

I myself would just like to see it regulated a bit more so that the public regard for it was disdain vs social acceptance. I hate to see generations raised on the idea that it is okay for one human to kill another just because they want to. I especially hate the idea of a mother killing her offspring. I think that we'd be better off if most people viewed the practice as something one normally wouldn't do unless there was a medical reason.

I'd like to see our culture embrace the idea that biological parents have an undeniable responsibility towards their children that shouldn't be negated. Something along the lines of real men don't walk away....and obviously real women shouldn't flush away either.


The trick here is that a first trimester D&C is a simple procedure that takes minutes at most and requires no anesthesia; a competent LPN or a trained layperson could simply and safely perform this procedure.
Abortions are only performed by doctors now because the law requires it.
If they were illegal altogether, then every Tom, Dick, and Sherry would be performing them; some practitioners would be competent and some would not be, but it would be difficult to tell the difference.
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Old 06-23-07, 08:41 PM   #13
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Re: Legislators pro-life until it costs money...

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The trick here is that a first trimester D&C is a simple procedure that takes minutes at most and requires no anesthesia; a competent LPN or a trained layperson could simply and safely perform this procedure.
Abortions are only performed by doctors now because the law requires it.
If they were illegal altogether, then every Tom, Dick, and Sherry would be performing them; some practitioners would be competent and some would not be, but it would be difficult to tell the difference.
Well it's frankly hard to know what to believe really as the facts seem to change depedning on where you look but it doesn't appear that abortion was extremely dangerous even back when it was illegal.

I don't honestly believe large numbers of women took coat hangers to themselves. We're emotional but we're generally not fvcking insane in large numbers. Maybe a couple coat hanger incidents happened but the idea that women were driven in large numbers to coat hangers just doesn't ring true.

Back alley abortions I tend to believe meant just that the women entered the drs. office through the back door and not that she had some sort of alley abortion with a hobo, a bottle of whiskey, and a hanger.

Abortion would in all likelihood remain safe even if it were more heavily regulated or even illegal. It's not a particularly hard procedure except, I've recently learned, in the case of twins where its not uncommon to miss one. But I don't think abortion has ever really killed large numbers of women and with today's antibiotics even a crappy unclean job is bound to not result in too severe an injury.
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