GySgt

I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I have explained it two different ways and it still escapes you. You do realize that we are looking at two different time periods? You do realize that just because a person professes to be on a specific mission doesn't mean that he can carry it out? And you do understand that it is quite possible for that individual to know this and therefore bury himself in the mission path rather than the end goal? The Muslim Middle East is as fractured as it always has been, but the Western world isn't as weak as it used to be.

I still don't have a clue where you are confused.


I don't see where I stated the Crusades had anything to do with you. I merely see your Marine jabs as some sort of pathetic way to sooth your heritage bruise. Taking cheap adolescent shots at an organization like the U.S. Marine Corps with the German military throughout the twentieth century to look upon certainly does scream out a bit of personal soothing.

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Volker

Probably you don't have.

I'm not confused.

These were your own words. I only brought them to another context.

politic_analyst

The jews of palestine were the ones who pushed to a mandate in the UN thus palestine allowed more jews in the region. Why do you think the palestinians think they got the short end of the stick? You take the displaced people out and when they gain strength, they take you out. Sounds like most civilizations in history.

GySgt

Give it a break.

If you are going to attempt to use history to declare ownership, I'm afraid you have to use all of history and not pertend that history began as late as the mid-twentieth century. Most of the present day Palestinians were left over from the Ottomans and before that they were decendents of the Philistines who invaded into Israel.

Of course, we could choose to set history aside and address the UN mandate of 1949 that gave the territory back to the original people who have been fighting for it against arab invasion since they traveled into it from Egypt long before "Palestinians" existed.

You want to complain about displaced people? Do it honestly. Like most civilizations that have fought over land, one wins. Well, one has. Get over it.

The truth is that if Palsetinians chose to embrace this new government instead of catering to the Arab hatred and venom from around the region, the world would see very successful "Palestinian" doctors and scientists emerging along side Israeli doctors and scientists instead of becoming a society of whiners fighting for something that occurred before any of them were even born.

GySgt

Alright. I'm about fed up. You are either a liar or you truley are clueless and running off of eroneous information.

1) Invasion 2003 - The Rumsfeld coven made the critical error in believing that passing the major cities would be the best thing for the U.S. military and the civilian population. The reasoning was that this would minimize the deaths. However, as was warned, the loyalists merely retreated into the cities to hide out. And in the end, this would be prove to be far more deadly to military personel and civilians. -"If you are unwilling to pay the butcher up front, you will pay in the end with interest."

2) Late 2003 - Sunni insurgent forces (former Baathist loyalists that retreated into the cities) were joining up with the Al-Queda faction bleeding in across the Syrian border to fight American forces. As the new Iraqi government started to take shape, Al-Queda began targetting Iraqi civilians who dared to take part in this path away from fundamental zealousy. The local Sunni participated in this, because the target was Shi'ite Iraqis.

3) Late 2005 - The local Sunni insurgency began to break away from the Al-Queda militants, because they didn't agree with what they were doing to their own citizens - Shi'ite and Sunni. Reports started coming in that showed Muslim fire fights where no American stood. However, this was rare and the insurgency took more of a look the other way approach.

4) Early 2007 - Sunni Insurgency elements began to contact military commanders for aid against their Al-Queda presence in their villages and towns. This is the product of almost a years worth of conduct under a new plan to empower and show respect to the insurgency who see us as an enemy.

I'm afraid they haven't "been at war with them since day one."

They are a group that is despised by even Fatah, because they resemble the same Al-Queda elements that have been creeping up all over the region since 9/11 and "what we are up against all over." What is your point?

This is pathetic. Such blatant exhoneration to justify bigotry. If Al-Queda was positioned on the border of California and frequently executed operations across our border to harass and kill our people, you wouldn't say a word. Face it...you have a problem with it because it is Israel.