politic_analyst

That seems to be the issue of the middle east. Its similar to your parents treated me this way so I have to treat you in the same way. Way too much hatred. Its always a perfect tactical strategy to let two forces collide and weaken themselves, then come in to mop it up. Militarily speaking it limits the risk to your own troops.

I say Israel working for us because if we did not support Israel there is no way they would still exists in that region. Its a gain minimizing damage to our own troops.

ARealConservative

doubtful. This reafirms the idea that the region can't get along with each other enough to ever dominate the world.

GySgt

Exactly so. And we can go back into history and cast blame on who started all of this hate, but there would be no point. Such things is exactly what has perpetuated the violence throughout history.

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GySgt

Of course. Even the brief successes of the Crusades were only enabled by the divisions among Muslims. People are exaggerating their abilities. They frequently confuse their expressed mission with what is actually practical and what they can achieve. But others underestimate the damage they can bring.

Onine

Its already ****ed.

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Volker

This reads like a contradictionary statement.

If this part is about Marines and not about Muslims, the whole post makes more sense.
But you should have made it clear.

GySgt

What are you talking about? I'll write it differently...

The expressed mission of the Radical Islamists is to re-capture "their land." This, according to the conscripts of the Muslim Brotherhood, means that they claim land as far as Spain and the holy structures left behind after the Ottoman's were finally repelled back. When they speak of spreading their brand of Islam throughout the world, they are more focused on this area. However, this doesn't mean that today's more creative and miserable Radicals don't have larger visions in their heads.

Now, this being said, it is quite impossibhle for them to accomplish such a rediculous mission. Not only could they not rally enough hate behind one brand of Islam to unite, but the West is simply too strong to allow such a thing to happen again. Even they know this to be true, which is why the vast majority of violent Radicals are more inclined to wage the war for the sake of the after life reward and not to achieve the goal.

However, where people are too quick to dismiss them in the manner that I stated above...they are also too quick to underestimate the damage that they can bring. Anybody that knew this culture and had the ability to assess the situation for the last two decades would not have been surprised on September the 11, 2001. However, every single government on earth (to include Muslim ones) watched with surprise those two towers coming down. Obviously, they had the ability to do the unthinkable on American soil.

Now, what exactly is contradictory here and what does it have to do with Marines? Or were you just behaving in your typical Volker fashion and seeking petty argument to make yourself feel better about your heritage?

Kandahar

I doubt it will EVER happen now. The West Bank may eventually become an independent nation, but not Gaza. The West Bank and Gaza are shaping up to be two separate nations who both claim sovereignty over the other, like China/Taiwan or North/South Korea.

This event is what will finally fracture Palestine forever. Fatah will control the West Bank and Hamas will control Gaza, and I doubt you'll hear much serious talk from either one about a unified independent Palestine ever again, aside from the occasional boasts that they'll crush the other.

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TheNextEra

The problem is and was the creation of Israel. I understand why it was done, but I do not agree that it should have been done either. I think the stance Israel has taken on the matter towards Palestine as if nothing was wrong with that is a key problem as well.

Add in many Palestinians stance of Israel, along with its 7.1 million people, should just somehow leave is equally wrong at this time. Whether or not Israel should have been created or not, 7.1 million people are not going to just up an leave.

Each side now through generations has learned to hate the other side. I don't really know if it will ever get better there, and now without a legitimate government for Palestine, I fear that it will just turn to genocide against the Palestinians eventually because of the actions of a few Palestinians that choose to continue the tactics to get rid of Israel.

GarzaUK

Jesus, I didn't even think of 3 states. What a big ****ing **** up! Palestinians can be the most stubborn idiotic people in the world. I mean they can literally get an independent state of their own if they lay down their weapons and go Ghandi style, hell they might even get co-ownership of Jerusalem. So used to war they can't even make peace with themselves. Idiots.

I am in big favour now of Eygpt invading Gaza and smacking Hamas back into their place to be honest. There are no gains for Israel to invade Gaza.

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