Auftrag

Well, according to the United States government they are. In any case, most Jewish institutions etc accept that the majority of Jews share a common ancestry etc and that being classified as a race does have some truth.

Where is this evidence?

I don't hate Jews. I understand that you may find that confusing, you may even think it's a downright lie, but whether you find it confusing or whether you think it's a lie, it is a fact nevertheless.

Yet, here we are again in a world dominated by Jews. Historically the Jewish race have invaded countries and taken control of their infrastructure. This happened in Germany and Austria and the native people of those countries reacted to that in order to safe-guard their culture and country.

The same is now true in western countries in regard to Muslims. There is a massive influx of Muslim immigrants into the west, especially in places like Denmark where I am from and in England where I now live.

In this country there are first generation foreigners and Muslims who have taken over entire communities and begun eracting temples and Mosque, who control businesses and huge amounts of property.

You walk down a street and you are surrounded by people who were either not from Britain or whom attempt, through their culture and practice, to impose a cultural dominance over their community; this is being replicated all over the country. What should native Britains do? Should they not defend their culture and their country?

Does that not class as self-defence? This isn't a discussion of hate, although I know it's easier for you people to attack me on that basis, it is about defending my culture, race and nation from utter annihilation.

You may be comfortable with the profound changes that multi-culturalism being to nation, but I am not and neither were the Germans of 1924.

I don't recall it.

GarzaUK

Prove it? That should be interesting. The Jewish populations in Europe in the past have kept to themselves. Unfortunately this has created suspicion and sometimes even hatred among the ignorant and the arrogant who can't accept other people and make lies about them. Like for example, did you know that people believed that Jews smeared Christain blood on their genitials to make them fertile. Also how can you judge a "race" on absolutes? ( I know you right wingers love absolutes but anyway) Are all Asian people good at maths? No. Are all black people criminals? No. Are all Muslims looking to destroy are way of live? No.

You also say the Jews have taken over countries etc, true they did it thousands of years ago. But are they unlike the rest of us? British, German, Americans, Irish, French, Mongols, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Egyptians, Persians and many many more have invaded countries and took over lands and infrastructures. Why should the Jewish be singled out for this?
Overexaggerated and overhyped I am afraid.
How DARE they build buildings to their religion! How DARE they be free to worship what they want!
I have not seen my culture threaten in anyway shape or form. Kids still read Shakespeare, people still eat fish and chips, we still drive on the left side of the road. In face the one thing immingrants have improved in OUR culture is better food, Indian and curries etc.
What annihilation?? Are we being annihilated as a race? Are people of a different culture killing us off? You may fool Americans by this bs, some actually believe that Londistan is around the corner. You guys should make good friends.

Out of interest what do you class as "self defence"?
God, you want to be like people from 1924. Now that is conservative for ya.

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Volker

Some allied countries have been in a self-defense situation, the Soviet Union for instance.

These numbers have been discussed in science, I guess, a short time after the war there were very different numbers, but meanwhile there seems to be a consensus in estimations because of progress in research.

Auftrag

It appears that I don't need to.

Of course there is a difference between militaristic invasion and cultural invasion.

It is very easy to make conjecture about history but it's really of little relevance.

It is a fact that Jewish people in Germany and indeed in most European countries took highly influential positions in law, accountancy, business, politics and the art and used those positions to consolidate wealth and power within the Jewish community. Now, I am not saying that this was a conscious conspiratorial process but that it was a process in and of itself that forced normal German men and women to become disenfranchised within their own countries; especially when the majority of Germans were extremely poor.

You are speaking about this as if I have asserted that Muslims and Jews have formed some conspiracy to dominate the world. Although there are obvious minorities who have done that, the reality is far more dangerous. This invasion is a cultural one that is essentially sneaking through the back door, defending by liberal democracies and the myth of "multi-culturalism".

This is the 21st century. Aryan racial countries are now liberal democracies and have no or very few colonial endeavors. As for Egyptions, Persians, Romans and Greeks, I think it is perfectly obvious why I am not "singling" them out: They don't exist anymore.

Yet I see it daily.

Essentially, yes.

I'm not making the claim that our culture has been destroyed, just that it is [b]being[/i] destroyed and if it is not defended we will have no culture left. IF we allow races to mix, cultures to mix then Aryan nations will cease to exist.

Yes.

Through genetic "mudding".

Anything necessary.

Are you saying that any idea or concept that has ever existed should be ignored because it's from the past? What about maths or printing?

Auftrag

Let me give you an example. The commonly historical accepted number of people to die in Auschwitz is between 1-1.2 million people. That is a total amount, not just Jews. If this is a fact then how is it physically possible for Hitler's regime to have exterminated another 9 million people?

The policy for ethnic cleansing didn't come into existence until 1941, so in 4 years the Hitler regime was supposed to have killed 2.5 million jews a year. Now in 4 years, in a massive industrialised compound like Auschwitz where they killed 20,000 people a day, they only managed to kill a maximum of 1.2 million people.

That clearly doesn't add up. Further more, where are all these bodies? They certainly weren't all put in the crematoriums.

Red_Dave

Well the obvious answer to that question is that not all those who died in the holocaust died as a result of death camps. Others died as a result of starvation/exhaustion in works camps, ghettos e.t.c.

Anyhow why does race have to be such a big issue?. Now that we have a better understanding of genetics its been proven that, for example, a given white person can have more genes in common with a given black person then he does with another white person. Why interpret everything through this lense?

Volker

Many Jewish people died of hunger, inanition and diseases in these camps and in the ghettos. To bring them there and put them under these conditions did not need so many physical resources.

Often the Germans did not even meet much opposition, because they did not tell the Jewish people the truth about where the trains will go to. These Jewish people lived in ghettos, because they had to, they were hungry, because they got only about one third to eat of what is necessary daily. The Germans offered them some bread and jam and told them, the train will bring them to new settlements in the East, where life will be better for them. Many Jewish people did not believe in the stories about the camps, they were thinking like "If they would want to kill us, why should they give us bread?"

There were several extermination camps and many Jewish people died in ghettos or they have been killed by Einsatzkommandos. Many died in smaller camps because of the conditions.

The exact number will not be known unless maybe they find some more documents about it. But estimations are that 6 million Jewish people lived before the Holocaust and were not alive anymore when the Holocaust was over.

The bodies of the people who died in Warzaw ghetto are probably buried in this area.

There is a study running at this time from French church in the Ukraine, where they search for places where Jewish people have been killed. Many of these places are still unknown to general public, but there are still witnesses alive and they can show them. The people are buried there around the villages, in forests, sometimes in cemetries, the local population often had to do it and they still know the places.

Mr. Desbois estimates a million Jewish victims buried in 1,200 graves in th Ukraine. Add the Jewish people killed in Poland and Belarus and you quickly come into the area of 6 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Desbois

Auftrag

It's not obvious at all. If it is the case that nine million people died of starvation and exhaustion where are the bodies? Where did they go and why has no one bothered to find them? In what work camps and ghetto's were they that nine million people died in?

I'm sorry but I find the claim that 9 million people died as result of working and not eating to be ridiculous.

Because it defines culture and nation.

That's irrelevant.

Auftrag

6 million of them? What happened to the other three million people?

What?

Nine million?

According to who?

Then why has no one bothered to discover them?

And what were their findings?

Well, it's been 70 years. Why have we not found these 9 million bodies?

Rubbish! Are you saying that in the midst of a war, small roaving groups of soldiers managed to kill 1 million people? It took them 4 years to exterminate exterminate that many people and they had gas chambers in a massive industrial complex!

This is conjecture and you have still not accounted for the other 3 million people who were allegedly supposed to have died.


Of course people died as a result of National Socialist racial policies but the suggestion that it was Ten Million people is ludicrous and a bare-faced lie peddled by Jewish organisations and liberal democratic governments.

EDIT: Providing a link to a Jew in regards to his "investigation" into the holocaust is absurd.

Volker

I don't know, what other three million people you talk about, maybe non-Jewish victims. The number I have heard of about Jewish victims is 6 million.

It's according to Wolfgang Benz.

I don't expect somebody to open graves to count people to have a prove, how many died. This is not my understanding of dignity of the victims.

They are starting it these days, it will take a lot of time to find these places.

There were 6 million. In the Ukraine they were not searching for them. They could have, but they did not. Now they do and this is in time to speak with witnesses.

These Einsatzkommandos did. They were not soldiers, they were civilians, some kind of "police".

This was in one place. There were many places, a lot of smaller camps and places, were people got killed without special infrastructure.

I don't know about other 3 million people, if you talk about non-Jewish victims, their graves are still there, too.

They talk of 6 million Jewish victims, too, they do not lie.

He is a Roman Catholic.