Grassroots donors dump GOP; RNC sacks its telemarketing team

danarhea · 06-01-07, 10:54 AM

The Republican National Committee has fired its entire team of telephone solicitors, who have been unable to get donations from the GOP base supporters, which Bush has now lost.

Want to know how out of touch with reality Bush is? While the telemarketing operation was in operation, they wrote down the reasons people were not making donations, which were then collected and made into reports. The biggest reason the GOP has had its cash spigot cut off, according to those reports, is his position on legalizing illegal immigrants. But the White House is telling everyone that they are getting nothing but positive comments from everyone. Seems they cannot see the handwriting on the wall, and as a result, Bush & Co. has effectively destroyed the Republican party for 2008.

But, you know, I am going to miss all those calls telling me that I have been selected as the Honorary Republican Chairman for Small Business Development, and I am sure that the many other thousands here in Houston who were also told they were selected for the position will miss those calls too. LMAO.

Article is here.

danarhea · 06-01-07, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

The Republican National Committee has fired its entire team of telephone solicitors, who have been unable to get donations from the GOP base supporters, which Bush has now lost.

Want to know how out of touch with reality Bush is? While the telemarketing operation was in operation, they wrote down the reasons people were not making donations, which were then collected and made into reports. The biggest reason the GOP has had its cash spigot cut off, according to those reports, is his position on legalizing illegal immigrants. But the White House is telling everyone that they are getting nothing but positive comments from everyone. Seems they cannot see the handwriting on the wall, and as a result, Bush & Co. has effectively destroyed the Republican party for 2008.

But, you know, I am going to miss all those calls telling me that I have been selected as the Honorary Republican Chairman for Small Business Development, and I am sure that the many other thousands here in Houston who were also told they were selected for the position will miss those calls too. LMAO.

Article is here.

So where are the Republicans going to get their money from now?

RightinNYC · 06-02-07, 12:38 AM

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So where are the Republicans going to get their money from now?

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"Any assertion that overall donations have gone down is patently false," RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt wrote by e-mail yesterday in response to questions sent by The Times. "We continue to out-raise our Democrat counterpart by a substantive amount (nearly double)."

Sounds like they'll survive, especially considering the RNC phone banks are only responsible for a very very small portion of all the money raised by the various Rep committees each year.

My question is this - why do you care? All you do is rag on the Republicans all day long. Doesn't it get boring?

danarhea · 06-02-07, 11:10 AM

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Sounds like they'll survive, especially considering the RNC phone banks are only responsible for a very very small portion of all the money raised by the various Rep committees each year.

My question is this - why do you care? All you do is rag on the Republicans all day long. Doesn't it get boring?

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Sounds like they'll survive, especially considering the RNC phone banks are only responsible for a very very small portion of all the money raised by the various Rep committees each year.

You missed the point. The people in the phone banks were calling a cross section of the Republican base, who told them to take a hike. This is documented by the reports from each call, which were then compiled into a report which is statistically significant.

As for RNC spokesmen who tell you it means nothing, bear in mind it is coming from RNC spokesmen, not the base. Its just like Baghdad Bob saying that Iraq was winning the war, when we were actually kicking butts not more than a few hundred feet from him.

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My question is this - why do you care? All you do is rag on the Republicans all day long. Doesn't it get boring?

And I will keep ragging on the Republican party until they become Republicans again, but I am sure that you don't care, so wear your new GOP mascot with pride:

26 X World Champs · 06-02-07, 11:45 AM

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So where are the Republicans going to get their money from now?

Exxon...Texaco...and Navy Pride....

RightinNYC · 06-02-07, 03:50 PM

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You missed the point. The people in the phone banks were calling a cross section of the Republican base, who told them to take a hike. This is documented by the reports from each call, which were then compiled into a report which is statistically significant.

LOL. Do you understand what the phrase "statistically significant" means?

The reports that you refer to were anecdotes told by a couple disgruntled anonymous fired workers. Not exactly a model survey.

Furthermore, did you miss this part?

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Miss Schmitt said terminating the phone solicitation staff "was not an easy decision. The first and primary motivating factor was the state of the phone bank technology, which was outdated and difficult to maintain. The RNC was advised that we would soon need an entire new system to remain viable."
She also said that "the changing ways in which people choose to contribute" meant that the RNC's in-house phone bank "was simply no longer cost effective, although unfortunate."
The fired staffers said the equipment was aging and it was probably more cost effective to farm out the phone-bank operations to the eight or more private firms also handling similar solicitations for donations to the RNC.

So they just got outsourced. Big deal.

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As for RNC spokesmen who tell you it means nothing, bear in mind it is coming from RNC spokesmen, not the base. Its just like Baghdad Bob saying that Iraq was winning the war, when we were actually kicking butts not more than a few hundred feet from him.

So an RNC spokesman is less reliable than a disgruntled anonymous source?

danarhea · 06-02-07, 07:01 PM

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LOL. Do you understand what the phrase "statistically significant" means?

The reports that you refer to were anecdotes told by a couple disgruntled anonymous fired workers. Not exactly a model survey.

Furthermore, did you miss this part?

So they just got outsourced. Big deal.

So an RNC spokesman is less reliable than a disgruntled anonymous source?

Evidently, you either did not read the entire article, or you hand pick some of it and left out what you didn't want to see. The proof was in the reports themselves. Now you may pooh pooh those reports, which are hard evidence (not disgruntled employees), and say it does not matter because it was smaller donors, but those smaller donors were from a representative sample of the GOP base, and there were a lot of those donors, considering the size of the telemarketing force which had been calling them for years.

That, my worthy opponent, is where the statistical significance lies. Donations from that database are down, and I betcha dollars to donuts that performance can be translated to other databases too. The evidence of that is the fact that, for the first time, the Democrats are outperforming the GOP in fund raising.

Simply put, the GOP base is not interested in.............

They want an elephant, but sadly to say, that elephant no longer exists.

RightinNYC · 06-02-07, 07:30 PM

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Evidently, you either did not read the entire article, or you hand pick some of it and left out what you didn't want to see. The proof was in the reports themselves. Now you may pooh pooh those reports, which are hard evidence (not disgruntled employees), and say it does not matter because it was smaller donors, but those smaller donors were from a representative sample of the GOP base, and there were a lot of those donors, considering the size of the telemarketing force which had been calling them for years.

According to who? Have you seen these reports? Nope, but you think that because an anonymous disgruntled fired employee told you what they think was in them, that you know exactly what it means. Right.

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That, my worthy opponent, is where the statistical significance lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance

Please explain to me how anecdotes from a few anonymous fired call center workers dovetails with "statistical significance." If you don't have statistics, you can't measure statistical significance.

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Donations from that database are down, and I betcha dollars to donuts that performance can be translated to other databases too.The evidence of that is the fact that, for the first time, the Democrats are outperforming the GOP in fund raising.

Hmmm, I wonder why it could be that Democrats are having some decent fundraising recently....

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In the three months since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi vowed to end what she called an "auction house" atmosphere under congressional Republicans, Democratic House chairmen collectively quadrupled their fundraising from special-interest groups that have business before their committees.

For the first quarter of this year, 18 Democratic chairmen raised $2.2 million from political action committees — up from $540,500 for the same period in 2005, when they were in the minority, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign records found. All but one of the chairmen were the ranking Democrats on the committees two years ago.

And in spite of this you're still just plain wrong:

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The Democratic victories in last November’s elections have not — at least not at this early juncture of the 2007-08 cycle — reversed the fundraising advantage the Republican National Committee (RNC) has long held over the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

The RNC reported raising $7.4 million in April, compared with $4 million for the DNC, according to campaign reports filed late last week with the Federal Election Commission (FEC). That continues a trend: The RNC has outraised the DNC every month this calendar year.

The RNC raised $33 million in the first four months of this year and had $14.2 million in cash on hand; the committee was debt-free as May began. The DNC has raised $19.7 million this year and had available cash of $6.1 million, with debts of $3 million.

Following in your path of using images to make a point...

How's that taste?

danarhea · 06-03-07, 03:23 PM

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According to who? Have you seen these reports? Nope, but you think that because an anonymous disgruntled fired employee told you what they think was in them, that you know exactly what it means. Right.

Statistical significance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please explain to me how anecdotes from a few anonymous fired call center workers dovetails with "statistical significance." If you don't have statistics, you can't measure statistical significance.

Hmmm, I wonder why it could be that Democrats are having some decent fundraising recently....

And in spite of this you're still just plain wrong:

Following in your path of using images to make a point...

How's that taste?

Here are the actual amounts with no spin:

Amount State
Party Candidate Name Through 1. $36,054,568 00
DEM CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM 03/31/2007 2. $25,797,721 00
DEM OBAMA, BARACK 03/31/2007 3. $23,434,634 00
REP ROMNEY, MITT 03/31/2007 4. $16,623,410 00
REP GIULIANI, RUDOLPH W 03/31/2007 5. $14,031,662 00
DEM EDWARDS, JOHN 03/31/2007 6. $13,087,559 00
REP MCCAIN, JOHN S 03/31/2007 7. $8,795,706 00
DEM DODD, CHRISTOPHER J 03/31/2007 8. $6,249,354 00
DEM RICHARDSON, BILL 03/31/2007 9. $4,013,089 00
DEM BIDEN, JOSEPH R JR 03/31/2007 10. $1,871,057 00
REP BROWNBACK, SAMUEL DALE 03/31/2007
I think I proved my point.

The silenced majority · 06-03-07, 03:29 PM

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Bush & Co. has effectively destroyed the Republican party for 2008.

...& 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020 ...googleplex