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Today partly thanks to other African countries and the international community great progress have been made in southern Sudan. But for that sucess to be permanent a lot of money is needed. If not the war that has cost over 2 million lifes will continue. In Darfur progress is also made and AU has already troops their and more troops is on it's way. But their are still big problem in the level of progress that is made and still civilians is fleeing from their homes and getting killed. So more pressure is needed on the Sudanese goverment and also on China to change their policys regarding Sudan. But the question I interprete in this thread is USA should disregard from the diplomatic process and in stand go in without approval from the word community and the Sudanese goverment.

That is a hard question but if the answer is yes, you americans have to pay the price in full.

First of all that failures is not an option USA can't yet again fail in a unpopulare war.

Second of all USA has to be willing to send enough troops and also accept casualties. That it's a huge area to controle and you need alot of troop to controle on the ground.

Third you probably have to spend alot of aid to rebuild Darfur afterwards to guarentee a continue stability.

Fourth you have to find a way to deal with Sudan. Both with the central goverment. That you really wan't to not end up in a war against them or that they will start a war then you leave Darfur. Because it is easy to defeat them of course but if you do you have to take the consequences of rebuilding one of the poorest countries in the world with a population of almost 60 million people. Their you also probably have alot of people hostile towards the USA.

Fifth you have to convince a world that are already very sceptical of USA that you not only do the right thing but you also doing it the right way. And convince them to help out alot.

Sixth you have to see to that you interference in Darfur will start the war again in Southern Darfur.

Edify_Always_In_All_Ways

This I wonder about. The regime change and occupation in Iraq led to extreme insurgencies- but these were led by people who have always hated us. In Sudan, what are hostilities toward us like? How much resistance would Janjaweed put up against us ending their fun, and how much could they put up? Without access to weapons from MidEast nations or a lot of closed-in urban areas to shoot from (most of our fighting will be in open spaces), it seems as if they wouldn't be much of a threat. Would the war be more Iraq, or more Gulf War?

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Peralin

I don't mean to change the topic, but I was wondering: Would any other countries help us out in Darfur, either militarily or financially? I know China is reluctant, but are there no other countries willing to take action? Is America the only country considering an invasion of the Sudan?

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Volker

The Sudanese military is a party in a civil war which they did not start and which they did not wanted to have.

Chinese troops are in South Sudan, there were the almost the same civil war parties and to me it looks like there are many problems solved there in this part of Sudan.

Maybe we should forget the UN security council and built regional organizations. These regional organizations can have a worldwide organization to discuss problems which can not be solved on regional level.

There are a lot of UN organizations which does make sense, you know, specialized UN organizations. The UN did not stop or at least condemn the Nato attacks against Serbia or the coalition attacks against Iraq, that's why I don't know, what they should be good for in the future.

Stinger

So the US should invade a sovereign country that has no WMD and is not a threat to us?

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Stinger

How about the main question? Should the US invade a sovereign country that has no WMD and is no threat to us?

Onine

I agree with Volker. Im sick of us playing the morally obligated big brother.

Clean up your own damn mess. If china got involved that would be one thing but us going in alone seems pointless and this moral obligation is going to destroy our country if the rampant idiocy of the republicrats doesnt do us in first.

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Its not like we haven't done it before. Two wrongs make a.... no wait...

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Volker

Yes, France is going to develop a plan with several countries and organizations including China and the USA. It is about securing the borderline to Chad while having humanitarian corridors to help the people in Darfur at the same time. There have been requests by the Sudanese government to a few European countries to check this plan and look for who is interested. The Sudanese government seems to positive about the French plan.

Volker

There is a conference planned on June 25 about Darfur.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...3-1702,00.html