Maximus Zeebra

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6602413.stm

"To think that we are going to find a stabilisation of the wider Middle East without opening some channels of communications with Iran, I think we are going to commit a mistake,"

He is referring to the US in this statement, meaning that the US want to do all these things in the middle east but completely neglect to have any talks with the nations involved..

Not since Nazi Germany have a nation invaded another nations without holding negotiations with them, if this happens in the case of US and Iran it would be a great tragedy for the US especially, but also for all free nations of the world.
The US have already greatly destabilized the world, setting a scenario for a world without cooperation. If the US invaded Iran without negotiating with them first it would be a definite step towards a bunch of Rambo-Anarchist nations who do what they want, and would surely need to the collapse of the world and its economy and in the end only lead to bad things. The repercussions would be that many states become rogue states and develop nuclear weapons as a security against US warmongering. I cant even describe what will happen further, it will just be terrible.. The US seriously need to change their stands on things and start using their brains instead of just always going directly for the weapons.

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Trajan Octavian Titus

How did Solana's negotiations with Iran go? Oh ya Ahmadinejad and the Mullah's told the EU to GFT's.

battleax86

I thought the one thing we learned from Nazi Germany was the pointlessness of negotiating with anti-Semitic thugs. Guess old habits die hard...

Of course, because they'll surely see that states who develop WMDs in defiance of their treaty obligations always seem to get a free pass from the United States...I mean, just look at Iraq and Iran...

In all seriousness, if the above scenario went down, developing nuclear weapons would be the stupidest course of action a rogue state could possibly take, as it would all but ensure unwanted attention from the Americans and the British...

Right. Tell me, how's this whole negotiation business working for the Europeans? Have they made any progress whatsoever? Funny how everyone else says we need to use our brains and not our weapons, but all this non-weaponized brain power doesn't seems to get them anywhere.

Hatuey

Another clueless European giving out his oppinion on what the U.S. should do. Do you believe he's telling us something our president hasn't already said?

ROFL - You dishonest little man. What about Saddam Hussein in the 90s?

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jkille

Uhh, yeah, that quote meant that meaningliss gibberish you just said..

What crazy string of logic made you decide that "all free nations of the world" will experience a "great tragedy" if the U.S. doesn't talk to Iran?

Again, how did you reach such a vague, broad conclusion?

A bunch of "Rambo-Anarchist nations?" Where do you come up with this stuff?

Ohh, I get it now... Can I buy some drugs from you??

Sorry to sound so condescending, but your post is full of speculation, unsound inferences, broad assumptions about specific events, and bad grammar.

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Maximus Zeebra

Not that good, that doesnt mean the US should not negotiate at all.

Maximus Zeebra

Yeah, as if Iraq had any WMDs.. Yeah, look at Iran, what about them? The US is piss afraid of doing anything with them, they dont even dear negotiate with Iran. Unless Bush declares himself dictator, there is just no way the US will take military action against Iran in the current political climate during the Bush term.

Yeah, as if the US could invade more than one country.. What if Pakistan went rogue for example? I can see a handful of states the could go rogue and quickly develop nuclear weapons. The US couldn't invade Saudi Arabia if it wanted to, not only because Saudi Arabia actually have a military, but also because they have all their oil rigged with explosive devices. In the end, it would just lead to a nuclear race, which all European states also would have to develop. Not only that, but in the end every country would end up with nuclear weapons thanks to the US. Chain reaction you know.

Ever heard of intentions? Ever heard of opposit effect? Thats how it goes when you just use weapons.. The US have created a new generation of terrorist, and made terrorism something that is acceptable in the middle east and possibly Africa. Not only that, but now the US want to make every state a nuclear state by going after Iran without any negotiations.

Just, I dont know, hang Bush or something..

It doesnt have to work, it have to be tried, thats the whole point..

Maximus Zeebra

Honestly, I would say that Javier Solana is THE best foreign policy individual in the world. You should do some reading about him.. Condolezza Rice is a joke in comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Solana
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6443213.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6440733.stm
BBC NEWS | Europe | Solana urges Kosovo co-operation
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Solana 'to deliver Iran proposal'
BBC NEWS | Europe | Solana warns against Iran strike
BBC News | EUROPE | Solana pledges European backing


Lol, ok that was a bit dishonest, but designed to show a point, and it does.

Maximus Zeebra

As soon as you start debating the actual things said in the thread in a factual and decent way I will respond, but at long as its just a bunch of garbage and personal attacks I will refrain from answering..

Take care.

Trajan Octavian Titus

How do EU/US negotiations go? We can't negotiate with a regime that takes ambassodars hostage the Iranians perpetrated so many acts of war on the U.S. and Britain that it's not even funny.