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New Taliban Video Shows Young Boy Beheading 'American Spy'

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New Taliban Video Shows Young Boy Beheading 'American Spy'

Sunday, April 22, 2007
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KILI FAQIRAN, Pakistan — The boy with the knife looks barely 12. In a high-pitched voice, he denounces the bound, blindfolded man before him as an American spy. Then he hacks off the captive's head to cries of "God is great!" and hoists it in triumph by the hair.

FOXNews.com - New Taliban Video Shows Young Boy Beheading 'American Spy' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

This article doesn't have a picture but I saw a clip of the video on Fox and he can't be any older than 12. This is sick, this is truly a war of civilizations, or rather a war of the civilized against the uncivilized.
 
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This article doesn't have a picture but I saw a clip of the video on Fox and he can't be any older than 12. This is sick, this is truly a war of civilizations, or rather a war of the civilized against the uncivilized.

I have to ask - do you believe all Muslims are uncivilized?
 
I have to ask - do you believe all Muslims are uncivilized?

I would say with the possible exceptions of Jordan, Turkey, and perhaps Indonesia, Muslim majority nations are very uncivilized IE women can't vote, gays are stoned to death, religion takes precedent in governmental institutions etc etc.
 


This article doesn't have a picture but I saw a clip of the video on Fox and he can't be any older than 12. This is sick, this is truly a war of civilizations, or rather a war of the civilized against the uncivilized.


And these are the guys Bush let off the hook, by invading Iraq, and abandoning the REAL war.
 
And these are the guys Bush let off the hook, by invading Iraq, and abandoning the REAL war.

Do you have any evidence what so ever that troops that otherwise would have gone to Afghanistan were diverted to Iraq? And for the record "thes guys" were in Iraq before March 2003 with the consent and support of the Baathist regime.
 
I have to ask - do you believe all Muslims are uncivilized?

Civilized people do not strap C4 to their children.

Civilized peopled do not train their children to be murderers for Allah.

Civilized people do not treat women as chattle.

Civilized people do not use primary schools to indoctrinate children into suicide-muderers.

Civilized people do not continually propagate hate, biggotry, and religous indoctrination by forcing it down the throats of their children.

Civilized people do not blow themselves up while riding on a bus of unarmed civilians.

Civilized people do not allow their religion to run their government.

Not all muslims are uncivilized; however, a great number of them are barbaric apes who need to removed from this life.
 
TOT is right it is sick and it is uncivilized.

Hatuey is also right all Muslims are not uncivilized.

And all Christians are not civilized. Remember who chained a black man to the back of a pickup truck and dragged him down a Texas asphalt road till there was nothing left of him? Civilized?
 
Is anyone that follows what the middle east is all about surprised by this?
 
TOT is right it is sick and it is uncivilized.

Hatuey is also right all Muslims are not uncivilized.

And all Christians are not civilized. Remember who chained a black man to the back of a pickup truck and dragged him down a Texas asphalt road till there was nothing left of him? Civilized?

Did they say they were doing it in the name of Christianity?
 
Weekly, we keep seeing these affirmations that part of our world is a very bad place. We are given evidence upon proof that the social dysfunction of the Middle East is not going to quietly contain itself there and that people are being forced to live under a perversion of one of the world's great religions. Evil men, under the disguise of spiritual leaders, are teaching whole societies to become a malignant force against the rest of the world.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if we don't keep to our convictions, within a decade we will be dealing with something much worse than Nazi Germany. At least fascists had a certain order and sense of self preservation...the Islamofascist don't even have that predictability.
 
Weekly, we keep seeing these affirmations that part of our world is a very bad place. We are given evidence upon proof that the social dysfunction of the Middle East is not going to quietly contain itself there and that people are being forced to live under a perversion of one of the world's great religions. Evil men, under the disguise of spiritual leaders, are teaching whole societies to become a malignant force against the rest of the world.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if we don't keep to our convictions, within a decade we will be dealing with something much worse than Nazi Germany. At least fascists had a certain order and sense of self preservation...the Islamofascist don't even have that predictability.

Very well put. :bravo:
 
Did they say they were doing it in the name of Christianity?


Wouldn't matter if they did or they dodn't. This is a nation based on Christian precepts not Mulim Buddhist or Space alien precepts. They proved that while being asked to live a Christian life they fefied all that is Christian. The same as that 12 year old defied all that it is to be a good Muslim. He will burn in the lowest level of hell with the two Christian white boys. No exceptions.
 
Wouldn't matter if they did or they dodn't. This is a nation based on Christian precepts not Mulim Buddhist or Space alien precepts. They proved that while being asked to live a Christian life they fefied all that is Christian. The same as that 12 year old defied all that it is to be a good Muslim. He will burn in the lowest level of hell with the two Christian white boys. No exceptions.

See this is a total diffent situation people who happen to be Christians committing murder is not analogous to committing murder in the name Christianity, while I doubt that anyone would say that these murderers are good Christians there are many people in the Islamic world that would call this kid a good Muslim.
 
See this is a total diffent situation people who happen to be Christians committing murder is not analogous to committing murder in the name Christianity, while I doubt that anyone would say that these murderers are good Christians there are many people in the Islamic world that would call this kid a good Muslim.

That's the problem right there...fundamental Islam is a social dysfunction that penetrates every aspect of life in a lot of the Middle East. It is equivalent to what the U.S. would be like if Phelps or Army of God ever became a ruling party...it is a cancer in their society.

Unfortunately, more and more I see certain countries in the ME as having been so permeated with the dysfunction as to be unsalvageable...like inoperable social tumors.
 
That's the problem right there...fundamental Islam is a social dysfunction that penetrates every aspect of life in a lot of the Middle East. It is equivalent to what the U.S. would be like if Phelps or Army of God ever became a ruling party...it is a cancer in their society.

Unfortunately, more and more I see certain countries in the ME as having been so permeated with the dysfunction as to be unsalvageable...like inoperable social tumors.

I completely agree with the first paragraph, the second I merely have to hope you are wrong. I hope they are salvageable because if they aren't... I shudder to think what that necessarily implies.

The way I see it Phelps would never become a ruling party in America (I'm not sure who the Army of God is, but I'm sure they're equally as distasteful), because of what America has. America is vastly different from countries such as Iran, Syria, Egypt and the like because we have completely different values. These values aren't based in the largest part in religion—yes, I know that America is a Judeo-Christian nation and those ethics influenced how it was founded and what it was built to be—but rather in the fact that Americans enjoy a free and unrestricted access to information that is unheard of in these countries.

Not all Americans are Jews or Christians, we all know that. Yet out of 300 million of them, how many want to dress up in explosives? None, or maybe the one random guy that somebody can dig up to point out, but by any measure of credible statistics, it's something that just wouldn't happen.

The fundamental difference between American or Western civilizations and those that practice an Islamic fascism, isn't the Islam. It's the fascism. America has the First Amendment, Americans have access to information and those who dissent are not "disappeared" or later found in a river lacking the head that gave them such impertinent thoughts. Gunmen, thugs and despots are all the same. It doesn't matter if it's Communism, National Socialism or Islamic fascism that is the guise they cloak themselves in. The evil is the same; deny the people access to the truth, foment hatred for another and ruthlessly crush any who dare question what those in power say is the truth.
 
That's the problem right there...fundamental Islam is a social dysfunction that penetrates every aspect of life in a lot of the Middle East. It is equivalent to what the U.S. would be like if Phelps or Army of God ever became a ruling party...it is a cancer in their society.

Unfortunately, more and more I see certain countries in the ME as having been so permeated with the dysfunction as to be unsalvageable...like inoperable social tumors.

I completely agree with the first paragraph, the second I can merely hope you are wrong. I hope they are salvageable because if they aren't... I shudder to think what that necessarily implies.

The way I see it Phelps would never become a ruling party in America (I'm not sure who the Army of God is, but I'm sure they're equally as distasteful), because of what America has. America is vastly different from countries such as Iran, Syria, Egypt and the like because we have completely different values. These values aren't based in the largest part in religion—yes, I know that America is a Judeo-Christian nation and those ethics influenced how it was founded and what it was built to be—but rather in the fact that Americans enjoy a free and unrestricted access to information that is unheard of in these countries.

Not all Americans are Jews or Christians, we all know that. Yet out of 300 million of them, how many want to dress up in explosives? None, or maybe the one random guy that somebody can dig up to point out, but by any measure of credible statistics, it's something that just wouldn't happen.

The fundamental difference between American or Western civilizations and those that practice an Islamic fascism, isn't the Islam. It's the fascism. America has the First Amendment, Americans have access to information and those who dissent are not "disappeared" or later found in a river lacking the head that gave them such impertinent thoughts. Gunmen, thugs and despots are all the same. It doesn't matter if it's Communism, National Socialism or Islamic fascism that is the guise they cloak themselves in. The evil is the same; deny the people access to the truth, foment hatred for another and ruthlessly crush any who dare question what those in power say is the truth.

Edited for grammar, although I'm sure I still missed some.
 
That's the problem right there...fundamental Islam is a social dysfunction that penetrates every aspect of life in a lot of the Middle East. It is equivalent to what the U.S. would be like if Phelps or Army of God ever became a ruling party...it is a cancer in their society.

Unfortunately, more and more I see certain countries in the ME as having been so permeated with the dysfunction as to be unsalvageable...like inoperable social tumors.

No jallman they (Phelps etc) wouldn't even have to be the ruling party. if they make enough noise (ex:loud public demonstrations) and instill enough fear in the populous and the leaders they accomplish what they want. This is exactly what the fundamentalist Muslims are doing. I don't know if you saw the documentary on Indonesia that was on PBS but there the majority of people including the clerics and the politicians are far more moderate than even fundamentalist Christians yet they have a big job in controlling a small cut very vocal group of fundamentalists. Of course the ME is somewhat different from Asia and to me there the problem seems to be the inherent ruthlessness of the Arabs be they Muslims or Christians.

On edit.
Mr X also makes a good point about the pverty and isenfranchisement of the youth in the Arab world and Pakistan.
 
No jallman they (Phelps etc) wouldn't even have to be the ruling party. if they make enough noise (ex:loud public demonstrations) and instill enough fear in the populous and the leaders they accomplish what they want.

See this would make sense save for the fact that their governments are just as guilty as the clerics.

Mr X also makes a good point about the pverty and isenfranchisement of the youth in the Arab world and Pakistan.

Not really for example in Saudi Arabia every citizen has free healthcare, a free education upto and including University level, as well as, a vast welfare state.
 
Not really for example in Saudi Arabia every citizen has free healthcare, a free education upto and including University level, as well as, a vast welfare state.

Whenever I type something, I think: Yep, that's what I mean and of course my meaning is clear. I'm often reminded that what I meant isn't what came across. It's a continuing journey...

What I argued wasn't the health care system. It also wasn't the welfare state, as neither are anything that I believe to be relevant. Certainly they can attend University, but what kind of education is it? If I offer a free course to all debatepolitics.com members in "Mr. X is a brilliant mind and I agree with everything he says", would you take it seriously? You should because I offer either a BS or BA, but the masters requires some serious *** kissing.

My point isn't the glowing recommendations on other issues that I believe are tangential to the core of the beliefs a society holds, but rather to the issues that affect those core beliefs. Americans don't like the idea of socialized medicine while European's find the idea of private medicine bizarre. Nobody in either of these groups are heading to a pizzeria wearing dynamite.

My problem with the Middle East, well my major problem with the Middle East, is that there isn't a free press. Without a free press you can't have a marketplace of ideas, and without that you can't have anybody who is truly informed. This isn't a problem just in the Middle East, although that is where dynamite is most fashionable as an accessory, but RightinNYC just posted a thread where Russia is clamping down on free speech. This should alarm us wherever it occurs.

Societies that have free speech don't tend to create people willing to blow up other people. In order to strap on a vest made of C4 believing you will be rewarded with 72 virgins, kind of indicates that there isn't a whole lot of intellectual debate happening in your life.

Edit: Holy ****, *** is censored? How will people know what part of my anatomy to kiss to get their degree?
 
I'm dying to know what percentage of Muslims you're referring to?

Making absurd generalizations diminishes almost everything that someone posts...

Let's give them the benifit of the doubt and say that only 10% of muslims are radicalized that's still 150 million; furthermore, the true figures of radicalized muslims are actually much higher and the radicals are in control of most Muslim Majority nations.
 
Is anyone that follows what the middle east is all about surprised by this?
This is not unique to the Middle East. In Africa today there are still more than 200,000 child soldiers who are killing machines.

In the USA need I remind you about what happened at VA Tech last week?
 
Weekly, we keep seeing these affirmations that part of our world is a very bad place. We are given evidence upon proof that the social dysfunction of the Middle East is not going to quietly contain itself there and that people are being forced to live under a perversion of one of the world's great religions. Evil men, under the disguise of spiritual leaders, are teaching whole societies to become a malignant force against the rest of the world.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that if we don't keep to our convictions, within a decade we will be dealing with something much worse than Nazi Germany. At least fascists had a certain order and sense of self preservation...the Islamofascist don't even have that predictability.
great post GySgt :3oops:
oops, that was Jallman :2wave:
point stands though, great post
 
Let's give them the benifit of the doubt and say that only 10% of muslims are radicalized that's still 150 million; furthermore, the true figures of radicalized muslims are actually much higher and the radicals are in control of most Muslim Majority nations.
1.5 BILLION Muslims? Really?

Let's also look at it another way, shall we? According to you 90% of Muslims are civilized yet your posts read as if 90% of Muslims are uncivilized and only 10% are?

That is some mighty nasty spin you're perpetuating here....
 
This is not unique to the Middle East. In Africa today there are still more than 200,000 child soldiers who are killing machines.

In the USA need I remind you about what happened at VA Tech last week?

Don't you dare try to compare the aberration that happened at VA Tech to the common violence perpetuated in the middle east...

:damn :wow:

That's just fvckin weak
 
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