McCain Wrong on Iraq Security, Merchants Say

26 X World Champs · 04-02-07, 10:34 PM

Why is that so many Republican politicians are unable to tell the TRUTH? Why must they regularly make up $hit about Iraq? Every time they do it ends up with their $hit hitting the fan. Remember last week when Bush Brown Nose Senator McCain made the outrageous claim that there are some very safe parts of Baghdad where you could walk around without fear? No one believed him then but then McCain and his Congressional butt buddies went to Iraq and again defied the truth and made $hit up! How dumb is it to do that with the media around to expose the truth? DUH!

When will the lies end? The American people deserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe because they're so used to lying these dirtballs are incapable of just telling the truth.

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McCain Wrong on Iraq Security, Merchants Say

By KIRK SEMPLE - The New York Times
Published: April 3, 2007

BAGHDAD, April 2 — A day after members of an American Congressional delegation led by Senator John McCain pointed to their brief visit to Baghdad’s central market as evidence that the new security plan for the city was working, the merchants there were incredulous about the Americans’ conclusions.

“What are they talking about?” Ali Jassim Faiyad, the owner of an electrical appliances shop in the market, said Monday. “The security procedures were abnormal!”

The delegation arrived at the market, which is called Shorja, on Sunday with more than 100 soldiers in armored Humvees — the equivalent of an entire company — and attack helicopters circled overhead, a senior American military official in Baghdad said. The soldiers redirected traffic from the area and restricted access to the Americans, witnesses said, and sharpshooters were posted on the roofs. The congressmen wore bulletproof vests throughout their hourlong visit.

At a news conference shortly after their outing, Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican, and his three Congressional colleagues described Shorja as a safe, bustling place full of hopeful and warmly welcoming Iraqis — “like a normal outdoor market in Indiana in the summertime,” offered Representative Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican who was a member of the delegation.

But the market that the congressmen said they saw is fundamentally different from the market Iraqis know.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/wo...mccain.html?hp

Hatuey · 04-02-07, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs

Why is that so many Republican politicians are unable to tell the TRUTH? Why must they regularly make up $hit about Iraq? Every time they do it ends up with their $hit hitting the fan. Remember last week when Bush Brown Nose Senator McCain made the outrageous claim that there are some very safe parts of Baghdad where you could walk around without fear? No one believed him then but then McCain and his Congressional butt buddies went to Iraq and again defied the truth and made $hit up! How dumb is it to do that with the media around to expose the truth? DUH!

When will the lies end? The American people deserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe because they're so used to lying these dirtballs are incapable of just telling the truth.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/wo...mccain.html?hp

...what exatcly did you expect? Politicians to tell the truth about what kind of **** hole Iraq really is?

disneydude · 04-02-07, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs

Why is that so many Republican politicians are unable to tell the TRUTH? Why must they regularly make up $hit about Iraq? Every time they do it ends up with their $hit hitting the fan. Remember last week when Bush Brown Nose Senator McCain made the outrageous claim that there are some very safe parts of Baghdad where you could walk around without fear? No one believed him then but then McCain and his Congressional butt buddies went to Iraq and again defied the truth and made $hit up! How dumb is it to do that with the media around to expose the truth? DUH!

When will the lies end? The American people deserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe because they're so used to lying these dirtballs are incapable of just telling the truth.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/wo...mccain.html?hp

I don't pay much attention to what McCain says anymore.

There was a time where I actually had some respect for the man. Even being a Liberal, I found McCain somewhat palatable. That was until he started pandering to the right-wing wackjobs and started saying all these stupid things.

I couldn't believe it when I read this latest fiasco. Even the staunchest of Bush supporters (save a few) won't go as far as to say they would feel perfectly safe walking down the streets of Bagdhad.

Although I feel kind of bad for McCain doing the whole Howard Dean implosion thing. Dean was a decent guy....he just wasn't a great politician.....I think (?)I can say the same about McCain.

26 X World Champs · 04-02-07, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

I don't pay much attention to what McCain says anymore.

There was a time where I actually had some respect for the man. Even being a Liberal, I found McCain somewhat palatable. That was until he started pandering to the right-wing wackjobs and started saying all these stupid things.

I couldn't believe it when I read this latest fiasco. Even the staunchest of Bush supporters (save a few) won't go as far as to say they would feel perfectly safe walking down the streets of Bagdhad.

Although I feel kind of bad for McCain doing the whole Howard Dean implosion thing. Dean was a decent guy....he just wasn't a great politician.....I think (?)I can say the same about McCain.

It's just so flat out dumb to suggest that it's "safe" in Baghdad! It's also so weird to say that yet wear a bulletproof vest...and did they think that no one would notice the copters, 100 soldiers and that the entire area was closed to everyone but Americans?

No wonder McCain is a has been. If he had any integrity he would simply be the candidate he once was rather than butt fuc%ing with James Dobson, Jerry Falwell and the rest of that slimy crew.

aps · 04-03-07, 07:02 AM

I sort of feel sorry for McCain as well, but I love that he just made a fool of himself claiming he felt safe walking down a street in Baghdad when he had over 100 soldiers walking with him. Did he really think he could get away with making that statement and that someone who was there wouldn't call him on it?

Karmashock · 04-03-07, 10:20 AM

McCain lost to bush in 2000... do you have any idea how badly many republicans wanted something better?

We didn't choose bush because he's more right wing, we chose him because he's at least consistent. McCain changes his opinion with the tides, the seasons, or whatever he thinks is fashionable at the moment. He also almost joined the democrats in 2003-4... which is likely why you found him paletable. Much as I for example find Lieberman plaetable.

McCain is a republican version of Lieberman... only I think Lierberman is a much better guy... Lieberman is far more consistent then McCain.

disneydude · 04-03-07, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmashock

McCain lost to bush in 2000... do you have any idea how badly many republicans wanted something better?

We didn't choose bush because he's more right wing, we chose him because he's at least consistent. McCain changes his opinion with the tides, the seasons, or whatever he thinks is fashionable at the moment. He also almost joined the democrats in 2003-4... which is likely why you found him paletable. Much as I for example find Lieberman plaetable.

McCain is a republican version of Lieberman... only I think Lierberman is a much better guy... Lieberman is far more consistent then McCain.

This post makes a couple of excellent points. I never really thought of it the way that you posed it....but it makes sense. I can't stand Lieberman. I thought he was a bad choice when Gore picked him in 2000....and with the comparison that you make....I can see now why many Republicans might have issues with McCain.
Although....I ever really saw McCain as inconsistent until the last year or so....maybe I just never saw it. But his latest shifts to try to appease all has really hurt his chances.

Look....I am all for someone who is a bridge gapper. That is how Bush sold himself....and he's proven to be the most savvy wedge-issue politician in the history of this country. Despite my own personal choices for President, I think that America really needs someone who can bring this country together....and that is why I will be doing some heavy reflection over the next two years. I'm not sure who that candidate is. I doubt highly that it is McCain....

tryreading · 04-03-07, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs

If he had any integrity he would simply be the candidate he once was rather than butt fuc%ing with James Dobson, Jerry Falwell and the rest of that slimy crew.

Well, they saw how much fun Rev. Haggard was having...

Karmashock · 04-04-07, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

This post makes a couple of excellent points. I never really thought of it the way that you posed it....but it makes sense. I can't stand Lieberman. I thought he was a bad choice when Gore picked him in 2000....and with the comparison that you make....I can see now why many Republicans might have issues with McCain.
Although....I ever really saw McCain as inconsistent until the last year or so....maybe I just never saw it. But his latest shifts to try to appease all has really hurt his chances.

Look....I am all for someone who is a bridge gapper. That is how Bush sold himself....and he's proven to be the most savvy wedge-issue politician in the history of this country. Despite my own personal choices for President, I think that America really needs someone who can bring this country together....and that is why I will be doing some heavy reflection over the next two years. I'm not sure who that candidate is. I doubt highly that it is McCain....

you have to put yourself in the other man's shoes... anyway, my problem with mccain is not that he's too liberal. My problem with him is that I can't trust him. He's a loose cannon.

Let me explain what that term means because while most people know what is "meant' by loose cannon they don't know the actual metaphor. A loose cannon refers to a cannon that broke free from the ropes holding it down on the deck of a ship... and then started rolling around inside the ship crushing people, smashing equipment, and maybe slamming a whole in your own boat. It's not only is it not a team player... it's dangerous... it ruins you.

McCain isn't just too liberal he's unreliable. he changes his opinions. you count on him to be there for you... He'll stand there at the line, look into your eyes and promise to hold that line... but when the shooting starts he won't be there for you. He never is. He's too much of an opportunist. If he sees profit in selling you out, he does. I've watched him and that's just the way he works. Trust me, even if he might be liberal enough for you... you don't want him as president. He will betray you the moment it suits him.

Lieberman... He might be too conservative for you, but he's consistent. He doesn't change his values. He holds to them. And that makes him a better man. I can respect Lieberman... and that's not just because he's conservative on a lot of issues. There are a lot of democrats that I like and respect and there are a lot of republicans that I wish would spend a full hour every day running with scissors.

Hillary doesn't bother me for example. the only thing she'll probably do which I'll TOTALLY oppose is socialized medical care. I'm a capitalist... that's where I am. And I think a lot democrats will be disappointed in what she does in Iraq... I think she's a lot like her husband... pragmatic. I liked Bill too... he didn't accomplish much in his presidency but he didn't screw much up either. Anyway, I think Hillary will do the right thing in Iraq... you can't abandon those people.