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Old 03-21-07, 04:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Will all Muslims go to Hell?

Yes. At least that is what the Qur’an teaches.

People in Western Cultures often have a difficult time understanding why many Muslims strap bombs to themselves and then blow up innocent men, women and children; however, to Muslims, such a barbaric act is the ONLY definitive way to escape an eternity in Hell. According to the Qur’an, all people (Muslims and Infidels alike), will go to Hell to be judged and punished...
And man says: "When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?" Does not man remember that We created him before, while he was nothing? So by your Lord, surely, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Shayâtin (devils), then We shall bring them round Hell on their knees. Then indeed We shall drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against the Most Beneficent (Allâh). Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein. There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished. (Qur'an 19:66-71).
As mentioned above, according to the Qur’an, killing non-Muslims who refuse to convert is the only way a Muslim can be guaranteed that he will eventually be released from Hell. The Qur’an teaches that everyone will be judged by their deeds after death and only then will it be determined if a person’s good deeds outweigh his bad deeds enough to warrant a pardon from eternal suffering...
Mohammed said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Hadith 1:35).
Additionally, the Qur’an teaches that Muslims must reject the triune God in order to enter Heaven...
If anyone testifies that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Slave and His Apostle, and that Jesus is Allah's Slave and His Apostle and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 644).
A lot of people are under the mistaken assumption that allah [sic] is God; however, while “allah” does mean “a god,” it does not mean The God. Briefly stated, the etymological roots of allah are derived from a pagan moon god, not the true God of Judaism and Christianity. It should also be noted that according to Christianity, the only unpardonable sin is rejection of the triune God.

While Islam’s requirement that its followers embrace the unpardonable sin is personally disturbing, there are a lot of other things about Islam that bother me too. For instance, Muhammad married a six year old child and they consummated the marriage when she was nine...
...that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65).
Muhammad passed along to his followers a revelation from Satan as something divine and allah made light of the situation, telling Muhammad it happens all of the time...
Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you." The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. (Ibn Ishaq, 165-166).
Muhammad contemplated suicide, because he thought he was possessed by demons...
Now none of God’s creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed—Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. (Ibn Ishâq’s Sîrat Rasűl Allâh, tra. Alfred Guillaume: The Life of Mohammed, p.106/153).
Not only did allah tell Muhammad that he [allah] is a deceiver and schemer, allah also told Muhammad that he [allah] deceived people into believing that Jesus was crucified...
Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. (Qur'an 4:142).

And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. (Qur'an 3:54).

Are they then secure from Allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme save folk that perish. (Qur'an 7:99).

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. (Qur'an 8:30).

And when We make people taste of mercy after an affliction touches them, lo! they devise schemes against Our communication. Say: Allah is quicker to scheme; surely Our apostles write down what you plan. (Qur'an 10:21).

And those before them did indeed scheme, but all scheming is Allah's; He knows what every soul earns, and the unbelievers shall come to know for whom is the (better) issue of the abode. (Qur'an 13:42).

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme, while they perceived not. (Qur'an 27:50).

That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,’ but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (Qur'an 4:157).

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed. (Qur’an 4:48).
If there are any Muslims reading this, please think through who you are worshipping. Ask yourself, how can you trust allah if he says that he is a liar and how can you trust Muhammad when he believed his messages were being dictated by demons and Satan? Also ask, why would allah, an admitted liar, say he deceived people into thinking Jesus had been crucified and then demand that you deny the salvation promised by Jesus? One thing I find amazing is how Judaism and Islam both intersect with Christianity. Judaism points to the salvation offered by Jesus Christ and Islam tries to denounce that salvation.
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Re: Will all Muslims go to Hell?

Will all Muslims go to Hell?

Not if there is a just God.
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Re: Will all Muslims go to Hell?

Either:

1) There are a billion Muslims who are not literal believers;

2) There are a billion Muslims who don't mind going to hell; or

3) Your interpretation of the Koran is disputed by a billion Muslims.
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1) There are a billion Muslims who are not literal believers;

2) There are a billion Muslims who don't mind going to hell; or

3) Your interpretation of the Koran is disputed by a billion Muslims.
It's not my interpretation, because I've quoted the Qur'an verbatim. Personally, I think that most Muslims believe that they are worshipping the God of Abraham, but out of ignorance they are worshipping a pagan moon god and therefore they are worshipping demons (1 Corinthians 10:20).
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Re: Will all Muslims go to Hell?

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1) There are a billion Muslims who are not literal believers;

2) There are a billion Muslims who don't mind going to hell; or

3) Your interpretation of the Koran is disputed by a billion Muslims,
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It's not my interpretation, because I've quoted the Qur'an verbatim.
Then it must either be case 1) or case 2).

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Personally, I think that most Muslims believe that they are worshipping the God of Abraham, but out of ignorance they are worshipping a pagan moon god and therefore they are worshipping demons (1 Corinthians 10:20).
My guess is most of the billion Muslims would disagree with you.

But IMO, all Muslims will not go to hell if God is just.
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Then it must either be case 1) or case 2).

My guess is most of the billion Muslims would disagree with you.

But IMO, all Muslims will not go to hell if God is just.

They can disagree with me all they want, but allah was a moon god, not the God of Abraham. Anyone who does a tiny bit of research on the history of Islam and the etymology of the word “allah” will find out that this is true.

Make no mistake about God being just. He punished Mankind’s violation of his law by coming down and serving the death sentence that Mankind deserved. That he did this, also demonstrates he is merciful.
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They can disagree with me all they want, but allah was a moon god, not the God of Abraham. Anyone who does a tiny bit of research on the history of Islam and the etymology of the word “allah” will find out that this is true.

Make no mistake about God being just. He punished Mankind’s violation of his law by coming down and serving the death sentence that Mankind deserved. That he did this, also demonstrates he is merciful.
I did not assert that God was just. I'd suppose He would be; He is claimed to be; but He may be unjust.
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Re: Will all Muslims go to Hell?

I can't understand why do you all focus on Muslims? You do not
talk about no other damn religion. I am a dedicated Muslim, and
if I went to hell it would be because of biting at other faiths like
they do mine.

Half of you who is Muslim haters really don't know why you are
hating. I bet over half of you haters will burn in hell before a
Muslim arrives in hell.

Many of you are fake christians as far as I am concerned,due
to the fact that Christians is not suppose to have hate like
most of you do, and personally, I don't give a damn if you care
for me or not.

As far as beliving in hell....We don't believe in Hell.
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Re: Will all Muslims go to Hell?

I know very little about the Islamic faith, and have not been around really any Muslims, I guess the closest I come to a real life Muslim is buying a slurpy at the 7-11. I know the Mormons conception of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is that He is our literal Heavenly Father, that Jesus(Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament) was His first born spirit son in the pre-mortal world and our eldest brother, that each of us knew them in the pre-mortal world and were loved by them. Our scriptures teach that Jehovah became like God in the pre-mortal realms because He was so meek and lowly, so freely chose truth and light, had such perfect faith in God and did so many good works. What is God like, what is His personality, if Jesus is just like His Father, the NT gospels gives us a glimpse of the true nature of God. In the NT, the religious world wanted to kill those who did not follow the letter of the law, Christ wanted to suffer the ends of the law to save them. Big difference. You can see the same attitude in much of the religous world today.

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It's not my interpretation, because I've quoted the Qur'an verbatim. Personally, I think that most Muslims believe that they are worshipping the God of Abraham, but out of ignorance they are worshipping a pagan moon god and therefore they are worshipping demons (1 Corinthians 10:20).
The whole abraham thing is patriarch religion, it amounts to perpetuation of the male haploid. That covers the possibility for eternal life.

Hell is a temporal condition of discontent and misery. It is a symptom of basis conditions. The rules of muslim society may be dysfunctional and result in conditions of hell. Dysfunction may lead to genetic death. Loss of eternal life is another connotation of hell.

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