Senate Democrats' budget leaves war funding (and tax cuts) intact

Goobieman · 03-14-07, 10:48 AM

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Senate Democrats' budget leaves war funding intact

By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats will unveil a 2008 budget today that would boost spending for uninsured children, students and veterans without cutting funds for defense or the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The budget also would not roll back any of President Bush's tax cuts after 2010, when they are set to expire. It says the tax cuts can be extended if they are paid for.

The spending plan, to be voted on Thursday by the Senate Budget Committee, is more specific about its additions than its subtractions. Most decisions on how to pay for new spending or tax cuts are left to the committees that will turn the budget blueprint into legislation.

"We do not tell them how to raise the money," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., who chairs the budget panel. "We do not tell (them) how to spend the money."

In fact, the budget is most notable for what it would not do, despite Democrats' attacks: reduce Bush's war spending or tax cuts. Senate Democrats do not want to be seen as hurting troops or taxpayers. House Democrats will unveil their proposal next week.

Senate Democrats' budget leaves war funding intact - USATODAY.com

One can only wonder what those that voted for the Dems for their promises of "fiscal responibility" will have to say about this.

Stinger · 03-14-07, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Goobieman

Senate Democrats' budget leaves war funding intact - USATODAY.com

One can only wonder what those that voted for the Dems for their promises of "fiscal responibility" will have to say about this.

I can't help but wonder why it the Democrats believe the war in Iraq is immoral, unwinnable, getting worse with every minute, creates more terrorist than we kill, illegal, all a lie, makes the entire world hate us, they would fund it for another second and not demand an immediate pull out.

dclxvinoise · 03-14-07, 11:23 AM

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I can't help but wonder why it the Democrats believe the war in Iraq is immoral, unwinnable, getting worse with every minute, creates more terrorist than we kill, illegal, all a lie, makes the entire world hate us, they would fund it for another second and not demand an immediate pull out.

Because unlike the assertion of you and your ilk, they care about the troops and pulling funding would completely screw them over. The war is unwinnable at this point because no one can even define what a victory would be. Meanwhile, our soldiers are coming back to this country in body bags at an alarming rate. Why should you care if the entire world hates us? Do you honestly think that the war is going splendidly?

Stinger · 03-14-07, 11:27 AM

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Because unlike the assertion of you and your ilk, they care about the troops and pulling funding would completely screw them over.

Pulling funding and pulling out. If the was is as they describe it why aren't they voting for an immediate pull out and cutting off any further funding for the immoral, illegal, unwinnable war? If that is what they truly believe it is immoral for them not to.

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The war is unwinnable at this point because no one can even define what a victory would be.

It has been defined over and over, this is nothing but Democrat spin.

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Meanwhile, our soldiers are coming back to this country in body bags at an alarming rate.

What rate wouldn't be alarming?

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Why should you care if the entire world hates us?

If it does shouldn't the Dem force an immediate pull out?

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Do you honestly think that the war is going splendidly?

I don't know of any wars that go splendidly until they are over.

So again if the war is illegal, immoral, unwinnable, and makes things worse ever minute it continues why are you and the Dems demanding an immediate pull out?

Goobieman · 03-14-07, 11:28 AM

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. Meanwhile, our soldiers are coming back to this country in body bags at an alarming rate.

1.8 KIA/day is "an alarming rate"?

rathi · 03-14-07, 11:31 AM

I didn't expect much, but this is still bad news. Raising taxes or cutting spending is the only acceptable choice we have. Passing their debts onto the next generation is horribly irresponsible. Democrats and Republicans prove that they take a bipartisan approach to fiscal irresponsibility. What happened to the days when republicans cut spending or democrats raised taxes?

Catching more tax evasion is NOT an acceptable plan to raise revenue.

Goobieman · 03-14-07, 11:36 AM

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I didn't expect much, but this is still bad news. Raising taxes or cutting spending is the only acceptable choice we have. Passing their debts onto the next generation is horribly irresponsible. Democrats and Republicans prove that they take a bipartisan approach to fiscal irresponsibility. What happened to the days when republicans cut spending or democrats raised taxes?
Catching more tax evasion is NOT an acceptable plan to raise revenue.

I'm curiuous to see how many of the many people that supprted the Dems over the GOP because of, they claimed, the GOP's 'fiscal irresponsibility' will now complain about the Dems.

Captain America · 03-14-07, 12:16 PM

Call me crazy but the way I see it, Saddam is dead, Iraq is no longer a WMD threat. For all accounts and purposes, according to the reasons given for this war in the first place, we have already won.

Now, there's the issue of that pesky little civil war between the Sunni's and the Shia that is about 400 years overdue. The thought of them squaring off and going at it doesn't seem to freak the rest of the world out enough for them to pitch in and help us out over there, so why should it bother us anymore than them? Screw 'em. Let the Iraqi's wipe each other out for all I care. If they're so stupid that they can't see they are cutting off their nose to spite their face, maybe they need to go and live with Allah. Besides, if we were gonna send our troops somewhere to help and protect the people, I'd rather send them to Darfur.

Certainly, who can deny the difficult situation there and the ripple effect it will cause globally? But if any nation on the planet can withstand such a ripple, it is the U.S. We can take a pretty good punch. Why is it the responsibility of MY children to go and fight and even die in Iraq over some stupid Iraqi grudge or vandetta more than it is the reponsibilty of some other nation to send their kids? Does anyone honestly think American blood will prevent the Shia and Sunni day of reckoning?

You know, I take that question back. I can think of two or three people here that probably do think that. I digress.

Besides, in my opinion, we were all simply duped into believeing all of Bush's reasons for dragging us into war to begin with. Halliburton needed an army to protect their interests on the ground in the Middle East. Well, they got one. It was a very crafty manipulation. You have to applaud their accompishment of placing two of the top oilmen in the industry in the Whitehouse, (even if it can be looked upon as an abuse of government.) That was quite a feat.

They could not have done it without us though. The American voter, who placed their faith in the Bush administration, has to shoulder their fair share of responsibility for screwing things up for us around the world as well as in our own backyard. They were duped. That is not to say they aren't good people or good Americans. They simply were duped. Many a smart person was. Many Democrat politicians, with their finger on the pulse of Washington, were duped too. If a professional, educated politician swallowed Bush's/Oil Industry's scheme, we can hardly blame the average, everyday, hard working rightwing layman on the streets. With all the O'Reilly's, Limbaughs, Hannity's and Coulter's shoving all that crap down their throats, how can they be to blame. The ability to know BS when you hear it is something not all people are blessed with. But that don't make them bad people. But if they still insist on supporting the current policies of the current administration, after what we all know now, and are hard pressed to go against the 70 plus percent of America who are sick and tired of the GOP/Bush bullpoop, then we must question their character. To go against the vast majority of Americans, by definition, makes them "Un-American." How did they get to this point. I can understand why O'Reilly and Coulter do it. It's all about the bucks. But why would a nice person, perhaps your next door neighbor, be so deadset against the will of the American people yet still fly the flag out in their front yard? I suppose we should all just be grateful that their numbers, these days, are insignificant and also be thankful we live in a country that tolerates these type neocon buttholes. Let freedom ring.

That was then. This is now. Only a small handful of our society are still in denial and perhaps a bit too proud to admit they were duped and prefer to toe the party line and remain loyal regardless of the toll it's taking on our nation. If we were to find anything at all about these people that would be remotely positive, we can say they are very loyal-hearted. That can be a good thing I suppose.

Captain America · 03-14-07, 12:26 PM

I know it's burning the GOP's butt that the dems included in the bill such pork like health care for poor children, money for vaccines, funds for Katrina.

Naughty democrats! Frivously wasting tax dollars on the people when we all know there are more important things to spend our tax dollars on like memorial walls and bridges to nowhere.

Navy Pride · 03-14-07, 12:35 PM

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I know it's burning the GOP's butt that the Democrats included in the bill such pork like health care for poor children, money for vaccines, funds for Katrina.

Naughty democrats! Frivously wasting tax dollars on the people when we all know there are more important things to spend our tax dollars on like memorial walls and bridges to nowhere.

The only reason the dems left the tax cuts and war funding in was they did not have the votes to stop them my left wing friend..........