Originally Posted by Jerry

Please excuse me but I am clouded on 2 items from your post, as follows:



This question has a false premise. It is not possible to limit God, so asking why we choose to do this imposable thing is a misnomer.



In so far as I know, and please correct me if I am wrong, but there is no one here who is following the rules of Pat Roberts or Jerry Falwell. I thought we were talking about following the rules of God.

Please give me any clarification you feel is necessary on those 2 points so I can continue with a clear understanding of what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Lachean

I disagree, for there have been a great many god's with limitations. "You are the got of the sun, and the wind, etc..." You simply decree by fiat that your god has no limitations, which is a claim that cannot be supported nor debated.

Originally Posted by Jerry

I think you misunderstand.

We can not limit God.
God certainly has limits, but those are not by our imposition.
Whatever God's attributes may be they are beyond our control.

Originally Posted by dragonslayer

some Preachers translate for God. They read some scripture and then explain and translate for us. They create walls and creeds which cause those who believe in God to have limited Choices. "Believe my way, which is God's way," some say. Some even produce their own versions of the Bible in which their explanations even become scripture. Then we get into right and wrong churches, and Christians trying make Christians out of Christians.

They say God is without limit and then make limits.

Originally Posted by Lachean

"We can not limit god" is true whether or not there is a god. If there is one, of course we cannot place "limits on it." Thats like being able to build a bridge on a planet we cannot reach. I don't see how debating the possible limits of possible gods is "placing a limit on god."

Still misunderstanding then, how do you support this claim? Or is this another decree by fiat?

Originally Posted by Jerry

I think you misunderstand.

We can not limit God.
God certainly has limits, but those are not by our imposition.
Whatever God's attributes may be they are beyond our control.

Originally Posted by Jerry

You understand what my point was, but I think I'm in your boat now. I don't think that debating the possible limits of God = our placing limits on God. Maybe our understanding of God, but even if God is really nothing more than an evolved function of our brain I don't see how debating said limits alters The God Part of the Brain.

Originally Posted by Cephus

No it isn't, it's the religion that is actually, factually right. If God isn't real and there is no heaven, then Christianity is wrong, no matter how strongly you believe in it. The same goes for all other religions.

The only rational course of action is to try to determine which religion, if any, is actually, factually correct and follow that. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of theological mental masturbation.

Originally Posted by dragonslayer

It would impossible to know which religion is factually correct. We are dealing with an abstract called, Belief. Suppose some one present down to earth factual evidence that the Buddha, was actually Jesus reborn? Would you believe it. If someone published what they thought was factual evidence that there was not heaven, would you believe it? I would not.

Originally Posted by dragonslayer

It would impossible to know which religion is factually correct. We are dealing with an abstract called, Belief. Suppose some one present down to earth factual evidence that the Buddha, was actually Jesus reborn? Would you believe it. If someone published what they thought was factual evidence that there was not heaven, would you believe it? I would not.