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China arrests Singapore journalist

Ching Cheong, a journalist for the Straits Times of Singapore was arrested for "stealing state secrets" when he tried to gain access to a hard copy of a manuscript by former Communist Party General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. China has more journalists in prison than any other country on the planet.

Further proof of the barbarity of the Chinese regime.

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Ching Cheong, a journalist for the Straits Times of Singapore was arrested for "stealing state secrets" when he tried to gain access to a hard copy of a manuscript by former Communist Party General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. China has more journalists in prison than any other country on the planet.

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All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China. You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.
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All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China.
Actually, it is the Chinese government I am attacking, NOT the country. I love China and the Chinese people. It is the government and the way it treats its own people, as well as its illegal and immoral occupation of territories that DO NOT belong to it (most notably Tibet) and its threatening of neighboring countries (i.e. Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines) that I oppose.

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You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.
To be a secessionist, that would assume that Taiwan is a part of China. It most certainly is NOT a part of China. The Qing Dynasty, which was NOT a Han but rather a Manchu dynasty, surrendered Taiwan in 1895 and never regained it.

Unlike your government, which is undemocratic and corrupt, denying the people of basic freedoms, Taiwan's government is democratic and is rated as "free" by virtually every human rights organization who makes such ratings. Quite the opposite from China which is consistantly rated as "unfree."
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Actually, it is the Chinese government I am attacking, NOT the country. I love China and the Chinese people. It is the government and the way it treats its own people, as well as its illegal and immoral occupation of territories that DO NOT belong to it (most notably Tibet) and its threatening of neighboring countries (i.e. Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines) that I oppose.
I don't think all the Chinese govenment has done is wrong. Maybe he is not so good but he has made the country richer and stronger than before. India is a democratic contry but it's poorer than China. Do you think the Indians are much happier and freer than us? No one doubts China will be the second super power of the world. You can only feel free if your contry gets strong. If not, there is no true freedom for your country. China has many historical, ethinical problems. It's great that the government made such a big progress. China government always says he will not use nuclear weapons at first you know. And there is no aircraft carrier in China, how come you said China threating others? I found a lot of people demonize China government without throught.
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To be a secessionist, that would assume that Taiwan is a part of China. It most certainly is NOT a part of China. The Qing Dynasty, which was NOT a Han but rather a Manchu dynasty, surrendered Taiwan in 1895 and never regained it..
Since you think Taiwan is not a part of China, why does it occupate the Jinmen an Mazu islands nearby Xiamen, FUjian province. The Taiwan surrendered by Qing Dynasty didn't include the two islands. How come Taiwan doesn't return them? I don't know which government illegally and immorally occupates of territories DO NOT belong to it.

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Unlike your government, which is undemocratic and corrupt, denying the people of basic freedoms, Taiwan's government is democratic and is rated as "free" by virtually every human rights organization who makes such ratings. Quite the opposite from China which is consistantly rated as "unfree."
Again, you can only feel free if your country gets strong. Even if you feel free, but your country does't feel free in the world. It's the philosophy of Chian Government, you cannot force him to abandon his belief.
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All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China. You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.
Well at least we can dispense with the niceties. Hey ludahai, he called you a girl. You gonna take that? You Tainwan so and so. Mei guanqi.
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You know frankguy, we probably know more about what your government does than you do. Your communists remember? Sharing information with the peasants has never been communisms greatest asset.
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I don't think all the Chinese govenment has done is wrong. Maybe he is not so good but he has made the country richer and stronger than before.
This is the same government that has ripped the grandeur of Chinese culture and tradition apart over the decades. This is the same Chinese government who has tyrannized people who want to peacefully practice Falungong, Christianity and other religious faiths. This is the same Chinese government who has turned occupied Tibet into an armed camp.

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India is a democratic contry but it's poorer than China. Do you think the Indians are much happier and freer than us?
I have been to the Chinese countryside, so I know the depths of this misrepresentating of China's wealth. Sure, a small number of people in China's urban areas are wealthy. Good for them. However, the poverty in the hinterlands, and even that of 外地人 "Waidiren" in cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou is appalling. Does India have significant problems with poverty? Yes. But the people in India have the ability to call their government to account for its missteps, as it did in a recent election. The Chinese masses do not have this right.

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No one doubts China will be the second super power of the world. You can only feel free if your contry gets strong.
Actually, a lot of people doubt this. China currently has many impediments to its rise to global superpower status, the most important is its lack or resources. Regardless of this fact, civilized countries can guarantee freedom for their people without military strength. Most European countries are small, and are not militarily powerful, but most are also democracies that respect the rights of their peoples. Taiwan, South Korea and Japan are much smaller than China is, however, all are wealthy and free, unlike China.

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If not, there is no true freedom for your country. China has many historical, ethinical problems. It's great that the government made such a big progress. China government always says he will not use nuclear weapons at first you know. And there is no aircraft carrier in China, how come you said China threating others? I found a lot of people demonize China government without throught.
You apparently missed the several instances where leading Chinese generals have said that China may use the nuclear option against the United States if it becomes involved in a Taiwan Strait war, even if the U.S. DOESN'T go nuclear! China has recently taken an island from the Philippines in the South China Sea, and in fact, claims the whole thing as its own, despite the rediculousness of that claim. China has hundreds of missiles aimed at Taiwan, and has recently passed a law authorizing force against the country.

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Since you think Taiwan is not a part of China, why does it occupate the Jinmen an Mazu islands nearby Xiamen, FUjian province. The Taiwan surrendered by Qing Dynasty didn't include the two islands. How come Taiwan doesn't return them? I don't know which government illegally and immorally occupates of territories DO NOT belong to it.
Actually, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu providing that China recognizes the independence of Taiwan. Furthermore, I say put all KMT traitors on those two islands, and see how long their precious ROC lasts with the only two islands it legally has sovereignty over. Considering that China still threatens Taiwan, Taiwan does have a moral right to maintain a line of defense. Upon such time as China and Taiwan normalize relations, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu, not before.


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Again, you can only feel free if your country gets strong. Even if you feel free, but your country does't feel free in the world. It's the philosophy of Chian Government, you cannot force him to abandon his belief.
Taiwan is not that strong militarily, though strong enough to fend off a Chinese attack. Despite the fact that Taiwan is not militarily strong, it is economically strong. Taiwan's people are among the most free in the world, arguably more free than anywhere else in Asia. Taiwan and China should be friends, not enemies. The two countries can help each other in so many ways, and in many ways on the economic front, there is already considerable cooperation. However, there is growing distrust of China on this side of the strait, and consequently, many Taiwan businessmen are looking at other options for investment.
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Well at least we can dispense with the niceties. Hey ludahai, he called you a girl. You gonna take that? You Tainwan so and so. Mei guanqi.
LEt him do the name calling. It shows the world that when he has no argument, he has to resort to this.
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LEt him do the name calling. It shows the world that when he has no argument, he has to resort to this.
Is it possible he doesn't know the whole truth about what his nation does?
I don't pay much attention to China anymore. I just know their government sucks. I'm sure it doesn't help much with yang guizi speaking Chinese. Can you PM me with the, Tian bu pa, di bu pa, jui pa yang guizi shuo zhongguo hua in characters? I'll put it on my sig. That should rattle his cage.
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This is the same government that has ripped the grandeur of Chinese culture and tradition apart over the decades. This is the same Chinese government who has tyrannized people who want to peacefully practice Falungong, Christianity and other religious faiths. This is the same Chinese government who has turned occupied Tibet into an armed camp..
There is no perfect person and no perfect goverment in the world. Tibet has been a part of China long ago. We have no reason to lose it. Falungong is an evil organize. My teacher had arthritis years ago and the Falungong cheated him that if he took part in the organization they can cure the ailment. Fianlly, they can't. They just cheated money.

[quote=ludahai]I have been to the Chinese countryside, so I know the depths of this misrepresentating of China's wealth. Sure, a small number of people in China's urban areas are wealthy. Good for them. However, the poverty in the hinterlands, and even that of 外地人 "Waidiren" in cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou is appalling. Does India have significant problems with poverty? Yes. But the people in India have the ability to call their government to account for its missteps, as it did in a recent election. The Chinese masses do not have this right[quote=ludahai]
There are poor people and rich people all over the world. The same as in US and Taiwan. It's not an unique phenomenon in China. Do you think demacray is everything? If so, why is India so poor? Are Iraq peoples much happier and freer than before? Even worse. China has made a great progress in decmacray and human right. We just need time. Rome was not built in a night. I think most of Taiwaners and American have no such patience. They all hope China solve these problem just by surrend its sovereignty and folow what US said. Just like Taiwan.

[quote=ludahai]Actually, a lot of people doubt this. China currently has many impediments to its rise to global superpower status, the most important is its lack or resources. Regardless of this fact, civilized countries can guarantee freedom for their people without military strength. Most European countries are small, and are not militarily powerful, but most are also democracies that respect the rights of their peoples. Taiwan, South Korea and Japan are much smaller than China is, however, all are wealthy and free, unlike China.[quote=ludahai]
I think you are not proud of your so called country. Neither is Janpanese. Because they are not a normal(正常)country. They are controlled by US because there are millitary bases in there countries. China has the possiblity to be a super power in the world. But they cannot never.

[quote=ludahai]You apparently missed the several instances where leading Chinese generals have said that China may use the nuclear option against the United States if it becomes involved in a Taiwan Strait war, even if the U.S. DOESN'T go nuclear! China has recently taken an island from the Philippines in the South China Sea, and in fact, claims the whole thing as its own, despite the rediculousness of that claim. China has hundreds of missiles aimed at Taiwan, and has recently passed a law authorizing force against the country.[quote=ludahai]
The islands in the Sounth China Sea were china's territories from Qing Dynastry. After WW2, UN also acknowledged this status. What the Chinese generals said was to show China's resolution.


[quote=ludahai]Actually, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu providing that China recognizes the independence of Taiwan. Furthermore, I say put all KMT traitors on those two islands, and see how long their precious ROC lasts with the only two islands it legally has sovereignty over. Considering that China still threatens Taiwan, Taiwan does have a moral right to maintain a line of defense. Upon such time as China and Taiwan normalize relations, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu, not before.[quote=ludahai]
You should admit KMT has big influence in Taiwan. It's your own proposal. Not the Taiwan government. They also have no sincerity on this.
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