frankguy

You don't know the situation of China. And you don't know the tradition and culure of China either. What you know is the bad things of China as others exaggerated. If you have some patience, you wouldn't say the words upper. I'm not a communist. I live here longer than you. And I'm an PHD. So I beg you believe I have right sense. China's situation is more complexer than you can imagine. What you said is right do we can't do as what you said. We need time. If China does everything as you want, it will go into chaos.

teacher

[But I know far more than most Americans. I understand "dui lian". I understand it's a childish concept to us, very old and important to you.
Wo ershi nian lian yisi mei shuo zhongwen. I've spent much time talking with those who fled the cultural revolution. Teachers, doctors, PHD's. I know how many Chinese feel about foreign devils speaking their tongue. Consider I know as much about you as you about me. Wode laoshi gei wo yige mingza, Bian.
You don't know me. I could say the same about your knowledge of American culture and tradition.

Much of what I know is from the mouths of Chinese people.
Upper?
Glad to hear it.
Duh.
So?
I grant that to all until they blow it.
I can imagine quite a lot.
I never said by next Tuesday night. My government understands this. Why do you think we let such bull**** trade practices go on? We are not stupid either. A free and open globe is the goal of my nation. All peoples having choice. Change takes time. Only 50 years ago blacks could not drink from the same water fountain as whites. On another site I speak with Chinese mainlanders. Not all my knowledge comes from kungfu movies.

Capitolism calls. Gotta go.

ludahai

Then it is your teacher who made a mistake. There is a similiar group in the United States called "Christian Scientists." However, as long as they don't violate the law, they have the right to practice their beliefs. The vast majority of Falungong practitioners are not cheats and it is NOT an evil organization. That is your government speaking again. I was living in Shanghai when the crackdown began in July 1999 and it was so obviously propoganda that I couldn't take anything the media was taking seriously.

However, the poor in China are amongst the poorest in the world. There is nothing in Taiwan or the United States that equates with the poverty of the poor in China, poverty which is all too often exacerbated by the policies of the unelected Chinese government.

India has a well developed high tech industry. However, India was a case where the recent government promoted policies that helped the rich, but not the poor, much as China's government does. However, the people of India had the chance to vote out that government, and they did. THe Chinese peope don't have that right. As for human rights in China, they have not been progressing over the past five years, but rather, they have been deteriorating.

I don't expect it to be built in "a DAY", but I expect to see progress. THis has not been happening since Hu Jintao became emperor (I mean President)

Again, it is the voice of ChiCom propoganda speaking again. Japan is a normal country more than China is. It is a democracy which respects the human rights of its people. The U.S. is there at the invitation of the Japanese government. If the government of Japan asks the United States to leave, it will just as the U.S. military left the Philippines after its democratically elected government asked it to in the 1980s.

The UN has NOT recognized China's claim to the SCS. The United Nations does not make such recognition. It is true that the Dongsha (Paracel) Islands were under Chinese control from about 1815, but not the Nansha (Spratley) Islands in the far south of the South China Sea. Those were under French sovereignty administered from Saigon for about 100 years. In 1928, the Chinese government acknowledged that the Paracel Islands were the southernmost extent of its territory. This is an assessment I agree with.


Of course the KMT has no sincerity. On this we agree. The KMT led an illegitimate government in Taiwan for decades which trampled on the legitimate rights of the Taiwanese people. Now, the Taiwanese people have democracy, basic human rights, and the right to assert its presence in the international arena.

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frankguy

How do you know this? It seems that you are wiser than everyone. You have no right to judge it without investigating it. Maybe you just think Chinese are stupid. If so you are much lower than a idiot.
I don't know what's their beliefs. I know some Falungong numbers and they said they practised it just to strength their bodies and purify their thoughts. If so, why should they besiege CCTV station of China? Just because it doubted their belief? This happening showed Fulungong is an blinkered organization. They were trying to demolish the peace of China. No one allowed them to do this. They are just a piece of shi*t.
Yes, you did live in Shanghai at that time. Does it show you know all the exact details of the incident? Propoganda is an weapon against enemy. Everyone can use it. The fu*king Falungong often sends me junk emails too. Your US daddy propogated that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How about the result? You just have an inertial thought that everything that China Government thinks is wrong you think it is right. Everything it think right you think it wrong.
You said it. But we Chinese people are not scared of porverty like you. The progess China has made can prove the situation is to be improved.
The government is unelected for 50 years. The poverty situation was also improved greatly. Do you doubt it? I don't why you say the situation is exacerbated? In which period?
There are a lot of country in the world whose governments are not elected. Why not smear them? Why must you smear China? What China goverment has done does not always please you but it's not the reason for you to smear all the things he has done.
Why do you think it has not happened? The GDP doesn't decrease. And the human right is impoved although not too much as you expect. I want to ask you why your US daddy was expelled from UN Human right commettee in 2001? In face of the fact your US daddy threated UN by defaulting the UN fee. What a gentleman!
It seem that Taiwan is the greatest "country" in world because it was not occupied by US but they managed to become a democratic "country" for ...years. sorry I can't remember the useless number. OK, the greatest country in the world is Taiwan. It satisfied you, right?
This world is run by the jungle rule. Do you know your US daddy is invading Iraq? He can do it, how come China can't possess the islands which used to belong to China?
You allway boast the human right of your Taiwanese people. If you Taiwanese people were the poorest people in the world, would you want democracy? It would be of no use. Demacracy is the thing of rich people. It's of no use for Iraq and Afghanistan people. It is KMT that made Taiwan rich in the last 50 years. You should be grateful to it.

frankguy

You are really superficial. I doubt your education degree. What I have arguge with Ludahai is the relation of Taiwan and Chinese. Your have no qualification to argue on this topic. Because you are really superficial on China(中华）culture, history and tradition. What you can do is to bellow after Ludahai. It's more like the relation of Taiwan and US. HAHA.

teacher

If that were the case then he'd be belowing after me.

You just ain't got game.

ludahai

Sorry it took me a while to respond. I haven't had Internet access the past few days because we just moved into a larger place. The needs of a growing family...

I don't think Chinese are stupid. Sheep, perhaps, but certainly not stupid. There are people all around the world who unfortunately fall victim to such tactics. It is also entirely possible that these "Falungong" people who leured him in were not true followers of Falungong. Fraud has become a big industry in China in recent years.

What is your source for the besieging of CCTV in China? Even if they did do it, considering that the State and the Party has control over ALL television broadcasts within China and the State and Party have been smearing Falungong, they are justified in their anger toward the government and the media that it controls.

Is the enemy the Chinese people? Do you think the Chinese people are so dumb and uncultured that they have to be told by the government what to believe? That is exactly what you are doing here. The government is justified in having the exclusive voice because you are too stupid to make up your own minds. THat is what the ChiCom government is telling its people every day.

So now poverty is a VIRTUE? THat sounds so Maoist!

The poverty situation has improved and degenerated over different periods of the past fifty years. The Party and its mismanagement of China's resources is the main cause of the famine in the early 1960s that resulted in the deaths of at least thirty million people. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution resulted in the deaths of countless innocent people at the hands of the Red Guards. Even today, people in the Yangzi River Valley are being forced to move from their homes with inadequate compensation to make way for a dam that is going to bring uncounted environmental devestation to a large swath of the CEntral Yangzi River valley.

It isn't smearing if you are telling the truth. Saudi Arabia is an autocratic government, and I often speak out against the autocratic policies of the Royal Family. However, unlike China, they are not continually threatening their neighbors, including the country that I live in, Taiwan.

The GDP has increased, but the gap between the rich and poor in China is one of the largest in the world. The rich have benefited from the growth of China's economy. However, these benefits have not trickled into most areas of the hinterlands. The United States was not expelled from the UN Human Rights committee. It lost its bid for re-election to Sweden, another country with an outstanding human rights record. You conveniently ignore the fact that the United States was voted back into the UN Human Rights committee the very same year. Also, considering that Syria and Sudan are members of the very same committee, non-membership in that committee isn't the greatest loss in the world. Talk about a committee what allows the fox right into the henhouse!

I never said that Taiwan is the greatest country in the world. However, unlike China, the people of Taiwan have a voice in making it a better country. Nice to see a Chinese admit that Taiwan is in fact a country.

The United States government ordered the invasion of IRaq in accordance with multiple UN Security Council resolutions. The United States has no intention of making Iraq into the 51st state. (Canada is already slated for that... j/k) China,on the other hand, already considers Taiwan its 23rd province even though it has no legal claim to the island nor has the PRC ever controlled the island-country. As for the islands in the South China Sea, south of the Paracel Islands, those islands never belonged to China. If countries around the world start saying that they have a legitimate claim to all of the land that they occupied in the past, there would be constant wars as those boundaries hopelessly overlap. You are nothing more than a Chinese imperial warmonger.

1. The KMT did not make Taiwan rich, the hard work of the Taiwanese did. When the KMT occupied Taiwan in 1945, they illegally began removing the infrastructure that the JAPANESE built in Taiwan and brought it to China. In 1949, large numbers of ignorant Chinese soldiers were amazed by the very sight of a water tap bring water out of a wall. They thought it was magic. IT was an everyday thing for Taiwanese people who were on the whole far more sophisticated than the Chinese immigrants who illegally took over Taiwan in the late 1940s.

Democracy isn't only for the rich. This is a specist argument on your part. Democracy and the ideals associated with it are the aspiration of all peoples of the world. Only apologists for tyrants would argue otherwise.

frankguy

In fact, I have no time to waste arguing with you. But I'll tell you, westen media demonlizes China for many years, you shouldn't always believe it and you should have your own brain. In China, there are many bad description about Taiwan, US and other countries. But I have my own brain. I'm tend to be fair-minded on all things. I never smear someone or country about every thing. If you don't try to understand China and just demonlize it. It does no good for you. And China will not get worse because of you. Instead, China is going to be more strong and rich. This is the fact. I think you should be a kind man, and more broard-viewed. Every thing is the world is developing including CCP. China is not so bad as you think.

ludahai

I do use my own brain. I have seen for myself the things that the people in China have to do to simply worship according to their own conscience. I have seen first hand how Tibet has been turned into an armed camp and looks more like military occupation (reality) than anything else.

I am not smearing China. I don't even hate China. I hate China's government. I love China and the Chinese people. I spent two wonderful, enjoyable years living in Shandong and then Shanghai. I still follow the Shandong Luneng soccer team. I still keep in touch with friends of mine from China. My quarrel is with how China treats its own people and how it threatens its neighbors, most of whom are peaceful and simply want to be left alone.

I understand China better than you think, and certainly better than most other Westerners. I respect and admire the Chinese people. If you say something can't be done, the Chinese people will prove you wrong time and again. The building of the Nanjing Yangzi River Bridge in 1968 after the pullout of Soviet engineers is but one of many examples. However, the denial of basic rights to the people of China is unacceptable. The pointing of hundreds of missiles (many of which are nuclear capable) at a small country like Taiwan is unacceptable. The illegal copying and pirating of intellectual property is unacceptable. China's trade practices are unacceptable. China's government has a lot of progress to make before I will extend to it my respect. However, the Chinese people already have it.

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ludahai,
Serious, non-attacking question.
Would it not be better to keep quiet and not upset the status quo, and enjoy the unofficial autonomy you have? And the many Taiwanese who invest in the mainland can carry on doing so?
If you keep pushing the mainland, do you not risk an all out conflict situation, which Taiwan would undoubtedly lose?

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