Maximus Zeebra

What do you think, is that the solution to theoretical European demographical problems?
Do you think this could "cool down" the effect of the "problematic" high unemployed muslim minority?

As I see it, Africans in Europe are the best people in Europe, far better than the Europeans themself, Africans who succeed as an immigrant in Europe will never do anything wrong and will always be happy to be European, he will actually be more European than most Europeans themselves, especially if you consider how "good" Europeans the British is.

The other group is the Chinese, why could we not start massive immigration of the educated Chinese population? How could we get them to come to Europe?
Have anyone been in Rotterdam? Rotterdam has a large Chinese minority and is certainly one of the best and most successfull cities in Europe..
But all in all, isnt it a good thing with African and Chinese immigrants rather than "troubled" muslim immigrants that "are up to no good".
How can we make that happen, what would the advantages and disadvantages be besides the reduction in % of white Europeans in Europe..

I would rather the white European population be reduced by Chinese and Africans than Arabs(muslims).

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To cool down this effect it would be important to offer more jobs to Muslim people, an immigration of Chinese or African people does not necessarly change this situation.

Often people are African and Muslim.

The Chinese have been the major foreign group at the university I studied at for years, when you look around in the library, especially on weekend there is a good chance there are more Chinese people there than German people. Don't forget, the teaching language is German. It's probably a question of conditions and jobs to have educated Chinese people be willing to live here.

There are more than 40,000 Turks and more than 30,000 Moroccans, too, in Rotterdam.

It's not about religion or where someone comes from.

jfuh

The only way Europe will ever to gain better immigrants is by actually opening up it's borders to immigration. as of now countries such as Germany are far too shut off towards any immigration.
One of the many reasons why we the US are far more competitive than Europe is because of our far generous immigration opportunities, hence constant influx of fresh ideas.
I think it's a good think that you are contemplating these matters now.

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PeteEU

Europe is not closed to well educated immigrants, infact we welcome them, but the problem is that it aint well educated and behaved immigrants that want access to Europe. And on that front the US and Europe agree. The US also only wants well educated immigrants for the most part and have large quotas on various areas and even countries.. so the US is also very closed in that aspect.

Our problem is the hundreds of thousands of illegals that attempt to gain access to Europe via our southern borders. People from the Middle East and Africa. Uneducated and often very backward thinking people who cant fit into a modern western society. And often very religious, and that dont mix well in a very secular Europe.

As I have mentioned before, its hard comparing US immigration to Europes as we get different types of immigrants. Europe gets low educated masses from areas close to its borders, Africa and the middle east. The US has "low educated" mass pouring over the southern border form Mexico, but Mexicans are better educated than most illegals coming to Europe. And on top of that thier cultural and religion is not that much different than many Americans. In Europe the cultural and religious differences between Europeans and thier illegals are huge.

Far asian immigrants in Europe are often welcomed, as they are hard workers btw. Chinese, Vietnamese and other peoples of the area, are often very productive parts of society and dont cause many problems. But as soon as the immigrants have the religious aspect then we have problems with them in Europe.

The US is not "far more" competitive than Europe. Its how you define the parameters for comparision and what numbers you use. If you really analyse the numbers and look whats behind said numbers, then quite often there aint a lot of difference between the two areas. Hell there are a few EU members that have higher labour productivity per GDP capita than the US, and some that are near, while others are waaaay lower. But in the end its what you messure and how you do it. In fact on the latest list of global competiveness by the World Economic Forum, 3 EU countries are ahead of the US on said list.. (all socialist btw) and Germany is right behind the US as is the UK. These lists change all the time but the trend has been a declining US competitivness when compared to Europe.. if that trend continues well.. we shall see.

But as I said.. its how you messure it and what numbers you use.

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I cannot really add to PeteEU's assessment except to confirm it. Nobody wants poorly educated, unhealthy, and especially not culturally backward immigrants. That is why there is the official process of selection and approval. It is fair and works in the best interests of both parties. This is also why illegal immigration and government failures relating to it are so divisive in the EU. Only a small number of people are genuinely rabid racists, the majority appreciate the value of immigrants. Unfortunately, that good will is severely tested by state government and EU incompetence in the handling of the illegals. Such failure is now starting to nourish the far-right parties of Europe. This is why I support stronger action to curb illegal migration, because the problems that such migrancy brings with it are bad enough, but what it can potentially draw out of Europe itself is immeasurably worse. Liberal failure on immigration is now acting as a catalyst to various fascist groups.

jfuh

Quite contrary, there is no other country in the world that is as open to immigration than the land of immigrants the USA - source1
Source 2
There are plenty more scholarly articles of such.

Join the crowd, we also have that problem - you just deal with it.

No, not that different at all. You have the good ones and the bad ones. But we accept them all either way, you just deal with them.

From what I have come to understand from many Chinese and Korean immigrants, Europe is a fantasy, it's nearly impossible to immigrate to the countries of europe unless you marry someone of the country, and even then, getting full rights and citizenship takes a long time. Also reference to the sources I've posted earlier.

As I said, immigration is but one of the many reasons why the Us is far ahead in competition against the EU exactly as the sources above have outlined.
Another would be in that we are a unified country, not broken up as the EU is, which is why, the 21st century is the century where the Atlantic becomes irrelevant and the Pacific becomes dominant. Well, the UK being a huge exception to that, those brits know where the wind blows from.

Maximus Zeebra

Yes, but we could virtually stop immigration from non-EU countries, and single out the well educated. Or we could get muslims to take Europes worst jobs and educated Europeans better so they can take the top jobs.

Indeed they are, but they are not arab. I should maybe have added "arab muslims"

Of course it is a question of education and offering jobs, but Europe have plenty of decent jobs and oppoprtunities. I know there is already a lot of Chinese in different places in Europe, but personally I would like to see more Chinese and less arabs.
In my opinion we must not allow Turkey in the EU.


I havent checked the numbers but you are probably right about that.
What we need to do is come up with a real immigration policy for the whole of Europe.

Maximus Zeebra

You probably know then that Germany has a large Turkish minority? Germany has open borders, maybe as open as the US.
I know its really a problem to immigrate to the US if you dont have 1.5 million USD and intend to start a business or you are highly skilled, like a scientist or something similar.
But you are right, immigration is a very important factor in development.
Humans are indeed the most valuable "commodity" in any country, human resources should not be overlooked or badly educated.

Maximus Zeebra

Those links didnt work btw, nice try.

Thats almost like in the US.. But it is a sign Europe should open up more to immigration, especially well educated Asians, and educated Africans and those willing to do our "dirty work".

American arent far ahead more competetive, thats a lie. If the dollar keeps falling, the Americans will turn poor in a few years, no matter how "competitive". There is nothing that can be dont in the US that cannot be done in Europe, nor the other way around.

RightinNYC

Posts like this are great to remember whenever I hear a European lament how Americans are so backwards, racist, and unsympathetic to the less fortunate.

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