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Old 06-01-05, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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And so now we know who "Deep Throat" is. Turns out he was in law enforcement; the number two man under J. Edgar Hoover at the FBI. This was the man that was groomed by the not so straight director of that institution to take his place.

W. Mark Felt, the former felon (he was convicted in 1980 of authorizing government agents to break into homes secretly to the strong consternation of the left, and without warrants but was then pardoned by President Reagan, to the strong consternation of the left), has been held up by the left wing of the country as a hero for years.

As it turns out W. Mark Felt was not only a hero to some but also a criminal who took an oath he made to all of us and threw it out for what may have been revenge. J. Edgar died one month before Watergate and President Nixon did not choose W. Mark Felt as his successor. W. Mark Felt was not a happy camper.

So far the New York Times and the Washington Post have given bare mention to the criminality of what W. Mark Felt did and the only ones they cite as having anything to say about his criminality are "old Nixon hands" Patrick Buchanan and G. Gordon Liddy, former speech writer and Republican operative. They quote W. Mark Felt's grandson as saying "people used to think he (Deep Throat) was a criminal and now they think he's a hero".

Number Two at the FBI breaks the law and there are no consequences. He's a hero. In my opinion, a true hero would have gone to the Attorney General, no matter who's Attorney General as the law dictates and told his story. If the Attorney General failed to act, then this "hero" could go public and be the "hero" his grandson thinks he is.

Even that bastion of conservatism; oops sorry; that bastion of the left leaning media MSNBC is asking if W. Mark Felt is a Hero or Traitor. Of course the vast wingy majority has to choose one or the other. I think they should be asking if he is a Hero or a Criminal. Then you can maybe choose both and be right (not meaning you can't be left).

I am glad the information that "Deep Throat" or W. Mark Felt had helped bring the Watergate Scandal to an end. I, however, don't consider him a hero at all because he broke the law just as those he would bring down did. I know it's simple to think "two wrongs don't make a right" but, they don't make the left either.

I provide no links because you can go to the New York Times or Washington Post and there is no link to a television program if I watch it on TV. Just want to be proper and supportive of the board.
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Old 06-01-05, 05:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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W. Mark Felt,..............................has been held up by the left wing of the country as a hero for years.

Shouldn't Linda Tripp be considered a hero too then?
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Are you kidding Stinger? The woman was destroyed. The only hero's the press recognize are the left wing rats.
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Shouldn't Linda Tripp be considered a hero too then?
The idiocy of the right never ceases to amaze me. Comparing a BLOW JOB to a President who committed multiple felonies due to his paranoia is pathetic.

Nixon was a criminal, forced to resign in disgrace. In case you all need to be reminded when Nixon resigned he did so to avoid being impeached and then convicted. Unlike the coup d'etat attempt of the Clinton Administration Nixon lost support from everyone, Democrats AND Republicans. He was also an alcoholic at the end, delusional, and totally guilty.

Lest we forget that his wonderful Veep, Spiro Agnew was forced to resign too due to felonies he committed as governor of Maryland.

What a pair! How dark a time was it in American history when within 2 years the President and Vice President resigned in disgrace?

Clinton's impeachment was a witch hunt, bogus, totally partisan. Don't throw the BS around about Liberals trying to get Nixon! He "got" himself. How paranoid is it that you have to break into the Democratic Headquarters in a year that you will go on to win 49 States?

Nixon was the worst President in modern American history, by light years. Bush is his caddy.....
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The idiocy of the right never ceases to amaze me. Comparing a BLOW JOB to a President who committed multiple felonies due to his paranoia is pathetic.

Nixon was a criminal, forced to resign in disgrace. In case you all need to be reminded when Nixon resigned he did so to avoid being impeached and then convicted. Unlike the coup d'etat attempt of the Clinton Administration Nixon lost support from everyone, Democrats AND Republicans. He was also an alcoholic at the end, delusional, and totally guilty.

Lest we forget that his wonderful Veep, Spiro Agnew was forced to resign too due to felonies he committed as governor of Maryland.

What a pair! How dark a time was it in American history when within 2 years the President and Vice President resigned in disgrace?

Clinton's impeachment was a witch hunt, bogus, totally partisan. Don't throw the BS around about Liberals trying to get Nixon! He "got" himself. How paranoid is it that you have to break into the Democratic Headquarters in a year that you will go on to win 49 States?

Nixon was the worst President in modern American history, by light years. Bush is his caddy.....
Nixon was crazy, but he was a crazy man who won 49 states and if not for Watergate, would have been one of the better loved presidents of our time.

Under no circumstances is what Clinton and Nixon did comparable, but it doesn't mean Clinton's actions should be brushed aside. Just like the right cant claim liberals got Nixon, the left can't claim conservatives got Clinton. They didn't plant Monica, they didn't encourage her to do what she did, they didn't trick him. It's not like he thought it was Hillary.

He knew what he was doing, and proceeded to put on a masterful show of innocence for a loooooong time.
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Nixon was a criminal, forced to resign in disgrace. In case you all need to be reminded when Nixon resigned he did so to avoid being impeached and then convicted. Unlike the coup d'etat attempt of the Clinton Administration Nixon lost support from everyone, Democrats AND Republicans. He was also an alcoholic at the end, delusional, and totally guilty.
Come on Champ, get your links out here. Nixon wasn't forced to do anything. He did what was good for the country, unlike Clinton. all you want, I was old enough to remember and know you are full of I didn't vote for Nixon back then, but his only crime was lying to defend his staff. Imagine that, a politician lies. Guess what -- he wasn't under oath in a court of law like Clinton was. Who was a felon?
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OMG....did you really just say Nixon did this to defend his staff, I mean I have a cold and have been taking a lot of cold medince so I could be halucinating...but did you really.
Have you read any of the documentation revolving around all this Nixon stuff, this man was like J. Edgar Hoover squared and then multiply THAT number by about 20. I mean the amount of unauthorized federal wire tapps alone would be enough for him to be researching which prisons have the best conjiculal visit rooms.

He did this so wouldnt be spending 10-15 at Danburry State not to save his staff from being slapped on the wrist.

By Bringing fmr. pres. Clinton into some sort of comparison with that of Nixon only highlights the party politics of Republicans during this time and now.

I for one are with you RightatNYU what fmr. pres. Clinton did, should not be brushed aside, and I really feel that it hasnt. Monica, Linda, blue dresses and cigars were not products of the way right wingers, but the actions subsquent to this were total party politics...It was obvious that this was something that Ken Starr was trying to base his whole career on, but where is he now?

But your right RightatNYU, this is comparing apples and oranges.
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Nixon was crazy, but he was a crazy man who won 49 states and if not for Watergate, would have been one of the better loved presidents of our time.

Under no circumstances is what Clinton and Nixon did comparable, but it doesn't mean Clinton's actions should be brushed aside. Just like the right cant claim liberals got Nixon, the left can't claim conservatives got Clinton. They didn't plant Monica, they didn't encourage her to do what she did, they didn't trick him. It's not like he thought it was Hillary.

He knew what he was doing, and proceeded to put on a masterful show of innocence for a loooooong time.
Yes, Tricky **** won a bunch of states. But it turns out he may have done so using illegal activities. The whole reason for Watergate was the break in at the democratic headquarters prior to the election.

I don't know about whether the left brought down Nixon. But the right certainly went after and brought down Clinton. Sure he helped them out by lying but they spent millions trying to find something to hang him with. Everything from old land deals to travel costs. They finally found something in his personal sex life. And you're right they probably didn't plant Monica, but having an affair isn't an illegal act. Hiring guys to break into the opposing parties headquarters is.

Of all the things to come about over the past couple of days since "Deep Throat" revealed himself, by far my favorite was watching G. Gordon Liddy. He Said "this guys no hero he acted immorally." Yeah Liddy you spent time in prison for burglary because this guy spilled the beans. Don't think you got a lot of room to be claiming someone else's actions were immoral.
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Yes, Tricky **** won a bunch of states. But it turns out he may have done so using illegal activities. The whole reason for Watergate was the break in at the democratic headquarters prior to the election.

I don't know about whether the left brought down Nixon. But the right certainly went after and brought down Clinton. Sure he helped them out by lying but they spent millions trying to find something to hang him with. Everything from old land deals to travel costs. They finally found something in his personal sex life. And you're right they probably didn't plant Monica, but having an affair isn't an illegal act. Hiring guys to break into the opposing parties headquarters is.

Of all the things to come about over the past couple of days since "Deep Throat" revealed himself, by far my favorite was watching G. Gordon Liddy. He Said "this guys no hero he acted immorally." Yeah Liddy you spent time in prison for burglary because this guy spilled the beans. Don't think you got a lot of room to be claiming someone else's actions were immoral.
Having the affair wasn't illegal, lying about it under oath was.
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Having the affair wasn't illegal, lying about it under oath was.
Yes but why did he end up under oath? Because the right investigated his having an affair. Again which wasn't illegal in the first place.
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