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Old 06-02-05, 11:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The other large problem with the Clinton ordeal is that he did it in his place of work. If I were a professor at a University and were having sex in one of my classrooms or in my office, if it were proven that I was doing this, I would be releaved of my position. That is true with nearly any business. BUT, all of that put aside, is our friend "deep throat" a hero or not? I agree with Clinton on this (just saw him in an interview) in that in normal circumstances this sort of leak is a bad thing for many reasons. But, in this case, as it were, it was a noble act that needed to be done.
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But that's not what they were investigating. They were investigating whether he had sexual relations in the oval office with Ms. Lewinsky. Nobody made the claim that she was harassed. She certainly didn't.
Sexual congress with a subordinate in the workplace IS sexual harassment. And obviously someone made the allegation, or they wouldn't have known where to start looking.
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Old 06-02-05, 02:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Sexual congress with a subordinate in the workplace IS sexual harassment. And obviously someone made the allegation, or they wouldn't have known where to start looking.
"Sexual congress" --- LOL --- That would put a heck of a twist on the founding of this country, now wouldn't it?

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Sexual congress with a subordinate in the workplace IS sexual harassment. And obviously someone made the allegation, or they wouldn't have known where to start looking.
So every time someone has an affair with their assistant or sec. it's sexual harassment? People like Newt Gingrich might well disagree with you.
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The other large problem with the Clinton ordeal is that he did it in his place of work. If I were a professor at a University and were having sex in one of my classrooms or in my office, if it were proven that I was doing this, I would be releaved of my position. That is true with nearly any business. BUT, all of that put aside, is our friend "deep throat" a hero or not? I agree with Clinton on this (just saw him in an interview) in that in normal circumstances this sort of leak is a bad thing for many reasons. But, in this case, as it were, it was a noble act that needed to be done.
Maybe but if your place of business was your residence, IE the White House, that might not transfer the logic of your argument.
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Maybe but if your place of business was your residence, IE the White House, that might not transfer the logic of your argument.


The White House official offices & the first family residence is separated. Not much different than having a home based business. You should logically keep your family/home things separate from your business things.
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I for one, think that sex and the workplace should go hand-and-hand, and be promoted. I mean right after sex I am really focused and ready to take on the challenges that my job has to offer. But thank god I dont work in library or a nursing home. :-)
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So every time someone has an affair with their assistant or sec. it's sexual harassment? People like Newt Gingrich might well disagree with you.
In a situation where a person has been accused of sexual harassment several times before, and there is a claim made that he is again having relations with a subordinate in his office, there is reason for an investigation.

ESPECIALLY in a job where the person is an incredibly visible, incredibly public figure.

If this had happened to a middle manager director of accounting, it wouldnt have been such a big deal.

If it had happened to the CEO of disney, it would be.
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Old 06-02-05, 03:29 PM   #29 (permalink)
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So then? Who thinks W. Mark Felt is a hero? If you will remember; Linda Tripp was mentioned in articles in newspapers before she came out with her infornation. It is more than likely that Lucy Goldberg was the leak for the information since she had also talked to Linda Tripp and Monica. I don't think Linda Tripp intended heroic actions but just to try to save her job and maybe reputation which was good in all her job evaluations.

Chuck Colson was tried and convicted for doing exactly what W. Mark Felt did and he spent 7 years in jail. This was the Ellsberg papers.

Ken Starr was chastized by the news media and in particular by CBS News anchor Dan Rather (June 15, 1998 ) for he and a staff member that talked to news reporters about the Clinton Investigation. Of course Dan had to give up his evening job for incompetency but do you think his replacement, Mr. Bob Schiefer will have much to say about W. Mark Felt who did the same thing as Chuck Colson and Ken Starr?

Yesterday MSNBC ran a poll with the simple question, "Do you think Mark Felt, Deep Throat, is a hero or a traitor?" This is why I don't hold any fondness for polls nor believe in their results. 73% said he was a hero and 21% said he was a traitor.

Do you think it would have made a difference in the numbers if MSNBC would have asked, "Do you think Mark Felt should have broken the law or should he have gone to the proper authorities?"

As far as I am concerned, the media is playing their usual game. Mark Felt is a hero and Chuck Colson is a convicted criminal who the media called on to be prosecuted. When Matt Lauer asked asked Woodstein what they thought, "Do you think Mark Felt was a hero for coming forward now or did he do it so his family could profit?", you again have a softball question that bypasses the question about illegality all together.

W. Mark Felt was the number two man at the FBI and had nothing to fear if he went to the authorities and told them that if they didn't act or if something happened to him the entire story would come out. He was in the top 5 of sworn law enforcement officers in this country and he broke his oath and committed a felony. All I can say is that it is good he wasn't a Republican.
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I was too young to understand Watergate the first time around. I'm thinking of renting "All the President's Men" for my kids.

But honestly..."Deep Throat" and Monica Lewinsky in the same paragraph? Talk about baaaaaaaaaaad mental pictures!
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