Jenin

Utah,

The Hussein Mcmahon correspondence and the Balfour declaration were promises made to a puppet sharif hussein and the jews respectively for power in the region.

They in no way justify or support the crime committed against the palestinians by the racist brits and later by zionist occupation of the land.

Winston Churchill had this to say about the Palestinians in 1937: "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Mickey Z: History Forgave Churchill, Why Not Blair and Bush?

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Trajan Octavian Titus

There are no natives of Palestine except the Jews, and you so called Palestinian Muslims are Arab invaders in the land of Canaan, and you should know all about ethnic cleansing because your national hero the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem organized Waffen SS units of Arabic descent which engaged in genocide against the Jewish people in Eastern Europe, and guess who was one of his troops? None other than another one of your beloved Nazi sympatizing Islamic Fascists Yasser Arafat, but hay don't take my word for it let's ask him:


"We are not Afghanistan. We are the mighty people. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini?... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops." -- Yasser Arafat

You're a Palestinian? Really? Palestine is a figment of the imaginations of Islamic Fascist scum which they use to justify the murder of the innocent. Let me ask you something why is that Muslims in Israel have full and equal right but Jews are still not allowed to set foot in Jordan? Jordan is Arab Palestine go there. Oh but you can't though can you because the pride of the Ummah won't allow a sliver of a state in the Middle East which does not fall under the tyrannical auspices of Sharia!!! The so called Palestinians voted for Hamas and deserve what they get, I shed not one tear for the scum of humanity which grows suicide bombers instead of crops so go read your Islamic translation of Mein Kampf again, because I'm not one of the useful idiots that you people find all to often in the west.

Trajan Octavian Titus

Complete bull**** your Al-Taqiyya is showing, your propaganda is full of holes, why is it that you don't mention the fact that the Mufti participated in the genocide of the Jews in Eastern Europe and was not just an ally of Hitler but rather a devout admirer of him too and in 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:

to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy.

As to your false assertions about the grandfather of Prescott Bush that is again complete bull**** and nothing more than an internet hoax lady so get your god damn facts straight because I don't play that bull**** I do a little thing called research but again don't take my word for it let's ask the anti defemation league:


I guess that's another part of the zionist conspiracy right? Oh wait why don't you just say what you really mean and call it the Jewish conspiracy? Oh that's right the PC useful idiots of the Western left wouldn't like that kind of talk now would they, but why don't we ask you about the "Protocals of the Elders of Zion," which is a proven forgery and yet still somehow is made mention of in the charter of the elected government of the "Palestinian," people. The Palestinians are nothing more than Islamisized Nazi's as is the vast majority of the Middle East and it is proven by the fact that you have same ****ing propaganda!!!

Jenin

What a freaking racist and ignorant statement : "you follow taqiya "(after I disproved your racist lie) and therefore everything you say is a lie. These are the words of someone very much fearful of the truth coming out...fearful of how dirty his own heros are and how dirty his own lying preachers are....

What a load of hypocritical, racist, b.s. The decendants of the KKK and the racist white segragationists and slave owners, the decendants of the genocidal white men with the blood of all natives on their hands, the supporters of a son of royalty, Bush, son oil and corporate cia criminals...A man who hid from combat in Nam inorder to send hundreds of thousands of young americans to Iraq. What hypocracy. The Nuclear bomb, Firebombing Japan and erradicating the civilian population, Erradicating the Native Americans, Enslaving, torturing, raping generations of Africans, and then lying about history for the greater part of US existance. The chemical warfare on the vietnamese, the support of every arab tyrant and the support of the zionist occupation...And you have the gall, the straight face, to stereotype, lie, decieve and justify the crimes.

The PALESTINANTS ARE MORE NATIVE TO PALESTINE THAN YOU ARE TO AMERICA. Before there was a single 'white man' in America, the Al-Aqsa stood. Before the crusaders came to palestine with their barbarian crimes and holocaust of muslims and jews, the Al-aqsa stood. The psycho-hypocritical-fascist-fabrication called the evangelical church and the rest of the racist, ignorant organizations leadership of yours has not taught you much history, anthropology or geography. The Palestinian racial Identity is in many ways distinct from the arab identity of the saudi region. The arabs did not exterminate the population of palestine like your forefathers did to the native americans. The arabs granted palestine freedoms the romans could not have imagined to provide. The crusader barbarians, like the mongolian hordes, came with an agenda of extermination. Your beloved high spirited sense of 'freedom' is embodied in your bombs that your beloved criminal president and his terrorist posse blasted all over Iraq.

If you are a man of 'facts' like you say...

Provide the links to all your accusations....while I do not contend with Haj Amin's connections to the nazis, I would like to see documentation behind the alleged arabs who took an active part in the holocaust...sounds like someone who regrets his white folk's crimes and wants to pin them on others.

Prescott bush, it is well documented, had connections to the nazis, just like it is well documented, the connections of george to the binladens.

Also, provide me a link for your 0.5% claim about american percentage weapons given to iraq...because I dont trust your word for it, I have seen enough racist distortions coming from you to know better.


Oh, and whether you like it or not, God Willing, there will be an end to the occupation of Palestine, and the rights of the palestinians will be realized. Arabs and Jews, at the end of the day, are cousins...YOU are the outsider...and you can cry about it...but Palestine will be free!

Volker

No, these units were from the Balkans, they were of Slavonic descent.

Now this is your source, some unfunded private opinion from a retarded American war monger, talk about desperation

This source only mentions Caliphates in history, if they want to have a caliphate in future, this charter would have been a good place to write it down.

I doubt, you can bring some real prove for your assertion, again.

Jenin

Vader,

Religeon doesnt run Palestine, The occupation runs palestine...and drives those oppressed by it to religeously sanctioned violence -- although I contend suicide bombing is religeously sanctioned since suicide is wrong and also i contend the murder of civilians is religeously sanctioned since it is forbidden in islam. Palestinians turn to extremism just like the holocaust drove jews to zionist extremism -- massacres of native palestinians and forceful execution of their aspirations for a land already inhabited by a people.



Therefore, I contend, as always, your general mindset and argument regarding the palestinians...It is an argument and a mindset, I sincerely believe to be provided by intense propagation through zionist and evangelical influenced media and litterature. Again, please I ask you not to stereotype or make sweeping generalizations.


Captain,

Again,

The ottoman empire was not an occupier of palestine in the eyes of the natives like the british were and the zionists settlers and army are today.
They did not ursurp 3/4 of palestine and enforce a military occupation of the remaining quarter and they did not force a mandate, conquer palestine, and then give it to the 'higher grade race' like churchill's england did.

Again, to make it clear.... Although I believe an initial injustice was committed against the palestinians by the european zionists and britain, I firmly believe it is the right of the european jews to reside in palestine and to be as free as any palestinian native. I am not against the Israeli citizen or the Israeli state...I am against the Israeli occupation of palestine, (west bank, gaza, east jerusalem), I am against the settlements and the continued settler crime and repression, and I am against the denial of the palestinian refugees to their rights to return to their homes. I also would like you, especially you -- since I have seen the honest integrity and sincere desire for debate without prejudice/racism -- I would like you to know that I very much respect you and your equals, who provide me with an education on judaism and modern Israel I would not find from your etremist allies and bretheren. Thank you. Also, I have made it clear I am against crimes against civilians and against suicide bombings and I want everyone to know that I am glad Hamas has refrained from that and I want everyone to know that I believe in the right of the Palestinians to resist occupation inside their homeland given the unilateral confiscation/settlement expansion project of the zionist right and the military occupation.

Again, much respect.

Btw...did you end up watching the program I told you about?
Do you have any links about judaism, american jews, or the modern state of Israel that you could provide me with? I want something eye opening, thoughtful, and educational...minus justification for my people's oppression.
Thank you.

Trajan Octavian Titus

What race would that be that I'm being racist against, newsflash sister Islam isn't a race anymore than Christianity is a race no matter how much you wish the Ummah to be a race it is not it is nothing more than a perverted theistic pile of dribble that teaches that an imaginary man in the sky wants everyone in the world to worship him or you'll end up in an imaginary place in the ground.

I don't have any preachers I'm a lapsed Catholic.

I figured you would throw in some support for the Fascist Japanese that are responsible for a genocide which if not excedes at the very least meats the genocide perpetrated by the Nazi's to which of course the Islamic Fascists are devout admirers of. BTW we fought a war to free the slaves, you might of heard of it it was the civil war, oh and what countries still own slaves? Oh that would be the Muslim countries of the Middle East and Africa, the only people to still own slaves to this day are Muslims, that's a fact, and the Arabs are still raping, torturing, and murdering in mass the black Africans in the Sudan. The U.S. fought a war to free the slaves but the Muslims are fighting one to keep them.

Complete revisionist history, before the moon worshiping polytheist Mohammad took the teachings of the Catholic church and perverted them into the ramblings of a mad man you know as the Koran the lands of Northern Africa were Christian, it is the Arab hords which raped and pillaged all the way up to Western Spain, the crusades were a response to Muslim aggression not the aggression.

LMFAO I'm part Polish and the Grand Mufti organized Waffen SS units in the Balkans which participated in the holocaust of Eastern European Jews.

No it's not it's a ****ing internet hoax, there is no documentation what so ever, he had a connection with a German exile banker who actually repudiated the Nazi's.

Which ones? It's a huge family the head of which was the owner of the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia.

Sure thing:

Arms sales to Iraq 1973-1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That might be difficult considering that there's no such place and there never has been, Jordan is Arab Palestine, why is it that Jews are still not allowed to set foot in Jordan but you're sitting here bitching about the Palestinians right of return? Let's take a look at the evil Jewish occupation of all that Muslim land:



OMFG those evil zionist bastards, look at all that land they're occupying. lmfao

They voted for Hamas the only right they have in my book is the right to a bullet in the head.

Volker

Now this would be some work to do for the "moderate" pro-Zionist group, but why should they change the behaviour they always showed to Trajan, as long as they don't get critisized by him?

Trajan Octavian Titus

What natives would that be? Because the that wouldn't be the Muslims there it would be the Jews, the Muslims there were Arab conquerers just the like the Muslims in the Sudan and all throughout Northern Africa, and Hamas does not seak to conquer Palestine and push the Jews into the sea for "Palestinians," they seak to conquer it for "Islam," just read their charter.

There has never and I mean never in the whole history of the world been an independent state of Palestine, it is fictional revisionist history. And how the hell can you even say that England gave Palestine to the Jews when the fact of the matter is that the British mandate included all of Present day Jordan IE the Muslims got appx 80% of Palestine leaving the remaining sliver of land for a Jewish homeland, but apparently that isn't enough because that little bit of Jewish land in the middle of the Middle East is simply intolerable to the pride of the Ummah. God forbid that the apes and pigs hold a small nothing piece of land.

Ya what about the Jews right of return? You conveniently leave out the fact that Jews were expelled all throughout the Middle East and while Israel has a sizable Muslim population with equal rights and even Muslim members of Knesset, Jews to this day are not allowed to set foot in Muslim Palestine IE Jordan and are treated as Dimmi's all throughout the Muslim world.

CaptainCourtesy

Irrelevant. The land was not 'Palestine'. The Ottomans had rights to it. Once defeated, the British administered the area in accordance with the League of Nations Mandate, which set guidelines for territories of the defeated Germatic and Ottoman powers. Wikipedia gives a good overview of this:

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the post I missed. I was so busy dealing with others on the 'I am Palestine' thread. Ddin't even check this thread, yesterday. Thank you for your words. I am glad that you have come out against the violence towards Israeli citizens. I have respect for the efforts you have made towards presenting your position.

I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video...yet. On my agenda, tonight. And I'll see what I can do with providing you with informational rather than biased-based links.

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