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Old 05-30-05, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am sure most readers of this forum know that there is a UN Peacekeeping force in Haiti. The Haitian government and UN Secretary General Kofi Annan both agree that a one-year extension past the June 1 deadline is needed. The Western Powers agree, even the U.S. and France agree on this one. The catch? China! See, the government in Port au Prince doesn't have diplomatic relations with China, but rather with Taiwan. Furthermore, the interim Prime Minister plans on visiting Taiwan later this summer. This is all simply unacceptable to the bombastic thugs in Beijing, who threaten to veto the one-year extention (which EVERYONE else agree is needed) and rather will support an inadequate six month extension.

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This news doesn't surprise anyone in Taiwan because China has pulled this ploy before. Macedonia and Liberia were once Diplomatic Allies of Taiwan. However, China used Security Council veto blackmail to get them to change their recognition. It is clear that Beijing is trying to do the same with Haiti.

This is sick. No wonder why people with brains are questioning the workings of the United Nations. THe ideals of the San Francisco Charter, sadly, have never been dominant in the workings of the organization. It is all politics and so long as totalitarian, non-democratic states make up a majority of the membership, that is all it will ever be. A forum for the despots of the world to perpetuate themselves, and nothing more.

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The deed has been done. China has forced the Security Council to delay extending the peacekeeping mission for one year. Everyone is calling for the extension. Kofi Annan is calling for it. The Haitain government is calling for it. Even the American and French agree on it, but China doesn't care about the security of the Haitian people or their Presidential election because they will do anything, hurt anyone to keep adhering to their pathological myth that Taiwan is a part of China.
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Re: China abuses UN Security Council veto power

This is why there needs to be a shakeup with the UN BADLY! This is why the UN has lacked confidence from the very host country it sits in.

I hope change comes to China. I, for one, have said from the very beginning that the United States should boycott the 2008 Beijing Summer Games. The U.S. should rethink it's China MFN status. Of course, no President would dare do this, republican or democrat, because it would cause great economic rift between the two nations. Shame.
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This is why there needs to be a shakeup with the UN BADLY! This is why the UN has lacked confidence from the very host country it sits in.

I hope change comes to China. I, for one, have said from the very beginning that the United States should boycott the 2008 Beijing Summer Games. The U.S. should rethink it's China MFN status. Of course, no President would dare do this, republican or democrat, because it would cause great economic rift between the two nations. Shame.
MFN status for China will go down as one of the worst economic decisions the US ever made...
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This is why there needs to be a shakeup with the UN BADLY! This is why the UN has lacked confidence from the very host country it sits in.

I hope change comes to China. I, for one, have said from the very beginning that the United States should boycott the 2008 Beijing Summer Games. The U.S. should rethink it's China MFN status. Of course, no President would dare do this, republican or democrat, because it would cause great economic rift between the two nations. Shame.
Actually, the United States lost the right to deny China MFN when it allowed China to become a member of the World Trade Organization. Actually, MFN has become so common that is is considered standard, so much so that it is now known as PNTR (Permanent Normalized Trade Relations.)

The United States, Japan, Taiwan and a whole host of other countries should boycott Beijing 2008. China is insisting that the country I live in not only be referred as Chinese Taipei, which is an afront to anyone in Taiwan who DOESN'T live in Taipei, but they want us called Taipei, China. In fact, in Chinese language publications inside China, they have already made the switch. Instead of 中華台北 (Chinese Taipei), they say 中國台北 (Taipei, China) This is a big difference. By right, however, it should be known as 台灣 (Taiwan.)

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MFN status for China will go down as one of the worst economic decisions the US ever made...
As I said, the U.S. no longer has the right to deny China MFN (PNTR) status as a consequence of allowing China to become a WTO member. China is breaking WTO rules while accusing the U.S. of breaking nonexistant ones. You can't deal with a regime who has no desire to follow the rule of law. They have the attitude, "What's mine is mine, what's yours we'll talk about."
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Re: China abuses UN Security Council veto power

of course it is ok for the US to use its veto. it is terrible that any other nation would dare to use its position on the much sought after seat to advance its aims.

The UN does not exist to spread peace and justice throughout the world. It lacks legitamacy. It is beyond reform. People say the Bolton nomination will promote UN reform. Will America give up its stranglehold on the planet. Never.

When the Americans talk of reform they want to curb the powers of all the other nations and increase their global hegemony.
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of course it is ok for the US to use its veto. it is terrible that any other nation would dare to use its position on the much sought after seat to advance its aims.

The UN does not exist to spread peace and justice throughout the world. It lacks legitamacy. It is beyond reform. People say the Bolton nomination will promote UN reform. Will America give up its stranglehold on the planet. Never.

When the Americans talk of reform they want to curb the powers of all the other nations and increase their global hegemony.
I think you miss the point of this whole thread and that is the abuse of China in denying the people of Haiti the protection they need as they get ready for an election solely for the reason that the Haitians recognize the fact that Taiwan is a country and the Taiwanese people are not citizens of China.
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Re: China abuses UN Security Council veto power

I am not denying that it is an 'abuse' of China's seat. i am only saying that this is how the business of the security council works. Let us look at US use of its veto powers to protect Israeli war crimes. Again the UN is merely a debating platform for the world powers to carve up the planet amongst themselves. It has no legitamacy.
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I am not denying that it is an 'abuse' of China's seat. i am only saying that this is how the business of the security council works. Let us look at US use of its veto powers to protect Israeli war crimes. Again the UN is merely a debating platform for the world powers to carve up the planet amongst themselves. It has no legitamacy.
The U.S. is using its veto power to protect the right of a DEMOCRACY under threat from several countries around it along with terrorists in it TO EXIST! This is not abuse. CHina using its veto power to force Macedonia and Liberia to withdraw its diplomatic missions from Taipei, which is the capital of a sovereign and DEMOCRATIC country, and attempting to do the same with Haiti IS an abuse of that power.
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Don't use the term terrorism. some people may say that the Taiwanese struggle is a foreign backed terrorist campaign to subvert the chinese nation and its peoples. It depends on your perspective. Let us not use inflammatory language.

america is protecting a foreign occupation of a land that the jews have no claim to- democracy or no democracy. America itself is occupying another nation that it has no claim. The US abuses the UN to justify its claims. Ultimately America is protecting its interest.

China does the same.

I am not commenting on the right or wrong of the action. I am just pointing out that to say one is better or worse than the other is false. Both parties play the same game.
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