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Old 01-02-07, 12:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Any westerners support Islamism?

"Islamism is a set of political ideologies that hold that Islam is not only a religion, but also a political system that governs the legal, economic and social imperatives of the state according to its interpretation of Islamic Law. Islamists thus demand the return of the society to Islamic values, and the return of the state to sharia law. A society governed by Islamic principles and law is seen as the true and sole answer to problems caused by the realities of modern life, including social and cultural alienation through urbanisation and migration, and political and economic exploitation.

Islamism is a multi-faceted ideology, with a large variety of islamic/political thought. The phenomenon includes moderate and relatively liberal groups as well as radicals, including salafis, wahabis, fundamentalists, neo-fundamentalists, and traditionalists. This variety of often competing streams of thought implies that a clear distinction between the one and the other under the term 'Islamism' alone is not given."

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Islamism ideology currently is strongest in the following countries...

http://www.islamic-world.net/countries/index.htm (the ones on the left)




Does anyone here like the idea? Explain....
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Old 01-02-07, 12:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Any westerners support Islamism?

What are you smoking? Most of the countries on that list don't like the Islamic world. United Kingdom, United States, Russia, Thailand, Spain, (and every European country thats on that list), Philippines, etc...

Thats right, the political system in the United States is being ran by Islamic Muslims. Keep thinking that. Smoke more.

If these countries political systems were based off Islamic Muslims beliefs, wouldn't we see laws being passed that you liberals would be screaming and crying about.


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http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm


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Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm

and see all the pics, think its bs?


Yes, since Islam is so great, lets all allow pedophiles to legally have sex with children while beheading all people who claim or are to of have done homosexual sex. Lets also have multiple marriages, etc...


Westerners supporting Islam?! I think us westerners wouldn't care if all Muslims got beheaded. I think the world would be better without such useless, dirt poor, insane, and very violent people.

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I am 100%, fully committed to the core, against Islam.

Islam today is no better then the Christians of long ago. Only Christians today don’t have the lust to dominate the world or kill those who wont convert or disagree.
And before any one says “its only a few Muslims who act this way” I say to you
Then stand against them IN PUBLIC!
I want to see Muslims from all over the world stepping in condemning and demanding an end to the violence in Iraq. I want to see them rise up from the Middle East and support a peace deal with Israel and Palestine. I want to see demonstrations in the millions against the “few bad muslims”
BUT
Will I see any of this today? No, Today I’ll read about another rocket being fired into Israel, another bombing committed in the name of Allah or how they discovered 50 dead Iraqi’s again. I’ll see another idiot with a sign that reads “Death to America” Or “Islam will rule the world” and I wont hear a peep from the so-called “peaceful Muslims”
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Old 01-02-07, 02:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Wow, you people are so cruel here. I didn't expect "Religious Racism" here. You took a thread about your thoughts on Islamism, and turned it to your thoughts on the religion of Islam. You guys had nasty things to say about it at that. Its the most understood religion to westerners.

(I'm only 16 guys don't beat me around just yet haha)
But I've said this before and I will say it for the rest of my life. Islam is a religion of peace. Infact, every religion is a religion of peace.

By the way nes, I never said any of those countries you mentioned supported Islam. I said the countries on the LEFT SIDE OF THAT LIST, were countries that support Islam. Thank you for reading what I typed and reading the label on the list.


If I'm not mistaken, the Ku Klux Klan are a group of FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS. (at least thats what they claim) who support a "White Christian America." But personally I do not consider them Christians for their acts. Does anyone here call them "Christian Terrorists"? I think not.
Al Qaeda is a group FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIMS. (at leasts thats what they claim) I don't even know what they stand for anymore and I don't want to hear what you all have to say about what you think they stand for because I think they are a group of nasty people who are scum on the face of the planet. But you westerners call them "Islamic Terrorists." They are not.

I don't care if a priest did the Oklahoma City bombings in the name of Jesus. That does not make him a "Christian Terrorist"


You cannot allow a small group of Islamic terrorists to change your perception on the whole religion. Let's say for example, that there are one million "Islamic militiants." Thats only a little under 0.09% of the ENTIRE RELIGION, which is an estimated 1.1 billion people. Thats not even anywhere near 1%

And these terrorist claim they are Muslim, but let me assure you they are not. The Quran clearly states that anyone who commits murder when not in a state of self defense, is NOT a muslim. (I'm not going to look where I'm too lazy and tired and I just got off winter break) If you're killing innocent people when the Quran clearly FORBIDS it, then you are not a muslim, because you are doing something the quran forbids.


So these terrorist may claim to be muslim, but in reality they are not.

About the links that nes posted. I see those images and text to be false and misleading. The thing about the quran, its ancient, unaltered text. It does not get simplified and re-written. Its all about how its interpreted.


As to what you said nes, which offended me the most of anything anyone has said to me in my entire life. "I think the world would be better without such useless, dirt poor, insane, and very violent people." You are a fool to say such an ignorant racist thing. Useless? Arabs were pioneers of science, math, they created algebra. They made breakthrough in medicine and chemistry. YOUR MODERN WORLD WOULD NOT EXIST TODAY WITHOUT THOSE WHO YOU CALL USELESS. You call them insane and dirt poor, how about you elaborate on that?


I have nothing more to say to you.
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I am 100%, fully committed to the core, against Islam.

Islam today is no better then the Christians of long ago. Only Christians today don’t have the lust to dominate the world or kill those who wont convert or disagree.
And before any one says “its only a few Muslims who act this way” I say to you
Then stand against them IN PUBLIC!
I want to see Muslims from all over the world stepping in condemning and demanding an end to the violence in Iraq. I want to see them rise up from the Middle East and support a peace deal with Israel and Palestine. I want to see demonstrations in the millions against the “few bad muslims”
BUT
Will I see any of this today? No, Today I’ll read about another rocket being fired into Israel, another bombing committed in the name of Allah or how they discovered 50 dead Iraqi’s again. I’ll see another idiot with a sign that reads “Death to America” Or “Islam will rule the world” and I wont hear a peep from the so-called “peaceful Muslims”
Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media? As regards nes's post i was under the impression hate speach wasnt allowed on this fourm.
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Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media?
How wise do you think it is to think those things are happening and still managing to avoid today's ubiquitous media and journalists ?

The story would be worth too much airtime, , , if it was happening, it would be covered, ad nauseum, and you know it.

As regards the initial poster, he said Islam is a religion of peace, so we all know he's full of ****e already.
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Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media? As regards nes's post i was under the impression hate speach wasnt allowed on this fourm.
ahhh yes I do.
If it did happen it would be covered.
Problem is........... it doesn’t happen.
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Re: Any westerners support Islamism?

I don't support any theocracy, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or any other religion.
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As regards the initial poster, he said Islam is a religion of peace, so we all know he's full of ****e already.
thank you?? .............you're mean
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Re: Any westerners support Islamism?

You know what, instead of me writing another 5 paragraphs, I'll keep it short.

The media is bitching about deaths of American troops in Iraq. Now what group of people is mostly responsible for the American troop deaths? American troops follow the rules of engagement, do you think the Muslims have a rules of engagement? Of course not, U.S. troops usually can't kill innocent civilians without going to court for murder while Muslims capture (torture) or kill both armed and unarmed (or pistol armed) American soldiers.

I have seen footage of Muslim woman mourning murderers. Putting their hands over their face, while men screaming "ALLAH ACKBAR!". Brainwashed since birth, most Muslim people were grown in an entirely different world, the text books (in Muslim Middle East countries) usually don't even have Israel on the map, the land is "Palestine". I think the laws in most Middle East Muslim countries are bizarre and a far cry from real equality. I wouldn't dare take a vacation to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and others since I believe I would risk getting tortured or killed.

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If I'm not mistaken, the Ku Klux Klan are a group of FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS. (at least thats what they claim) who support a "White Christian America." But personally I do not consider them Christians for their acts. Does anyone here call them "Christian Terrorists"? I think not.
Ku Klux Klan are definitely not fundamental Christians. I think that the Ku Klux Klan today is just full of young members that just hate other ethnic groups, nothing to do much about religion.

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