I'm in complete agreement. But I don't think expecting the population to accept the fact that pregnancy is a slight possibility even when the strictest of measures have been taking to avoid pregnancy is unreasonable. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with expecting people to not have drs. off their offspring.
Fair enough.
Perhaps not, but that is the topic of the thread; if you are only interested in arguing fetal personhood and states' rights to regulate abortion, what are you doing here?
It does not affect more than one person. The fetus is not a person. And you're off the topic again.
But you do allow sex as a good enough reason to mandate loss of control of one's body for nine months? Kinda harsh on the ol' nookie, don't you think?
I do agree that neither pregnancy nor body type/shape should ever be seen as a disease.
This is true. It is also irrelevant.
First: women get sex changes, too.
All states, actually. But this is a different issue. The problem with selling body parts, as jallman pointed out quite eloquently in the thread on that topic, is that the buyer can't be guaranteed your body part will not cause them harm; it is a matter of controlling the harm to the buyer, not the seller, that makes the sale of body parts illegal.
Well you can sell your body for sex in Nevada.
This is the most illogical blatant lie I've ever heard told on the site. No wait jfuh's was worse. But body parts are donated routinely. The government has no problem with one person "giving" another a body part. The government has a problem with money being exchanged.
Well there have been cases of botched abortions. There are also quite a few women running around talking about how their own abortion psychologically damaged them. And regardless there is another human involved and if that other human isn't "dead" when the abortion is done then the dr. didn't do what he was paid to do. You can't get more harmed than "dead."
I never said that but I would argue that some do definitely.
The fact that the government feels it can restrict bodily sovereignty at any point means that bodily sovereignty can be restricted.
Which freedoms are lost? It's not as if the government impregnates a woman. Most women seeking an abortion were responsible for their pregnant condition. There is nothing illegal or immoral about holding parents responsible for their offspring and in fact it's done all the time. This expectation for parents to care for their children would just extend to those in the womb. There are people who go to jail for refusing to pay child support. The government has no problem limiting their "freedom" after they have chosen to neglect their born children so how would extending this same courtesy to the unborn be that drastically different?
Cool.
That's illogical.
And yet as unfair as that all seems the government does it all the time by holding men and women accountable for children they've produced whether they wanted to be a parent or not. In fact there are men who never even were told they were a parent as a result of one sex act and years later they are hauled into court to be declared a "financial father" to a child they never even knew existed.
You seem to have issues. I don't know. Children are children. Parents should be obligated to them born or unborn. Once a parent has brought a child into existence than the parent should be held accountable for that child's well being. Now you might think that the "unborn" aren't yet in existance but sonograms, ultrasounds, and basically science would strongly disagree with you.
Look I know you would love for me to be some prude with sexual hang ups. I'm not. I love sex. I had sex before I was married. I always knew there was a possibility I could get pregnant though I was very careful and never did until I wanted to. But I always knew if I created a life I'd be obligated to care for that life. It's about parental love, obligation, responsibility, honor, ect.... The list goes on and on. It has nothing to do with whims, desires, and what you want and everything to do with standing up and doing the right thing by your child because it is your child thus your obligation.
Yes it is and it is your warped view. No one can change the fact that the more you have sex and the less protection you use the more likely it is that you will get pregnant. And no one can change the fact that despite all your precautions the possibilty still exists though it is way less likely.
