Democrat Culture of Curruption Continues

Skip · 12-29-06, 07:45 PM

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Oh I think my positions are known around here.

Oh now the tables have turned. Why don't you label yourself what you & everyone else thinks you are? Why are you afraid of calling yourself very conservative?

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Well I've never heard that explanation and the magazine that gets most credit for fostering the so called neocons, The Weekly Standard does not have a liberal past. Nor do I know of any conservatives neo or not that support your assertion.

That's not what I have seen. Wikipedia offers a different explanation.

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Well if your saying a neocon spends like a liberal then OK.

They spend basically the same amount I guess, just on different things.

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And liberalism.

Well then I guess we have a complete disagreement on something completely subjective.

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that wasn't compromise, they had no choice and several made fools out of themselves, Biden for instance, in the process.

How was is not compromise when they didn't exercize their power of filibuster?

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And you have the right to free assembly. But it is a very liberal position to believe that government has a duty to provide us the things we need and that we have a right to them.

I don't think it's a liberal position that everyone has a right to things they need.

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But there are major issues upon which your decision can hang.

Exactly. There are many of them. Iraq just happens to be one of those issues.

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HE never had a surplus. WE had a surplus

And he was the President, who approved the budget that got us the surplus.

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No, but if you think so you must have some basis for it and an amount. They already pay much more in percentage how do you know it' not enough already?

The extremely super wealthy pay less % in taxes than the middle upper class.

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Where do you get the idea that the deficit is 10% of GDP? We are in fact at a very low deficit number right now preciesly because of conservative measures. Spending HAS been cut in the last several budgets and the tax cuts worked/are working to allow the economy to grow which is brining in record revenues.

I was saying, do you think a neoconservative society with 100% of its GDP being its national debt could sustain itself?

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Why wouldn't I understand that, in fact that is more a conservative ideal than a liberal?

Preserving reproductive freedom? Maintaining civil rights? Allowing each person to live their life regardless of sexual orientation? Those are all liberal ideas, man.

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They are both beyond that, but between Scalia as a 1 and Ginsberg as a 10 where do you fall with the court?

Hmm, good question. Not completely sure, I'd venture a 6 or 7 as a guess though. Scalia's just... crazy, but the far left of the court is too activist.

Stinger · 12-31-06, 03:01 PM

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Oh now the tables have turned. Why don't you label yourself what you & everyone else thinks you are? Why are you afraid of calling yourself very conservative?

OK there happy now? Now your turn why not label yourself as a liberal which is the majority of your opinions and specifically the ones that define liberal over conservative?

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That's not what I have seen. Wikipedia offers a different explanation.

Never put a lot of credence in the articles to begin with.

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They spend basically the same amount I guess, just on different things.

If they spend like liberals. But the fact is the deficit has not been very big at all considering the events we have been through and as percent of revenues and GDP.

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How was is not compromise when they didn't exercize their power of filibuster?

Obstruction is not compromising.

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I don't think it's a liberal position that everyone has a right to things they need.

It is. Especially if government is supply those needs.

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And he was the President, who approved the budget that got us the surplus.

He opposed the budgets that got us the surplus, wanted more to be spent. Several of them were just carry overs from the previous ones he had opposed. He also opposed the tax cuts which grew the economy and vowed to repeal Welfare reform and would have had a Democrat congress been elected.

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The extremely super wealthy pay less % in taxes than the middle upper class.

Nope and they certainly pay more of the total taxes. So how much of a persons income should be taken in the form of taxes and what percentage of income taxes should the top Quintile pay?

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I was saying, do you think a neoconservative society with 100% of its GDP being its national debt could sustain itself?

Debt or Deficit?

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Preserving reproductive freedom? Maintaining civil rights? Allowing each person to live their life regardless of sexual orientation? Those are all liberal ideas, man.

You mean right to abortion, race based preferences and homosexual marriage? Yes they are very liberal positions and from your posting it is clear you support them all. So what is the moderate position versus the liberal position on all of those.

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Hmm, good question. Not completely sure, I'd venture a 6 or 7 as a guess though.

Which is definitely on the liberal side of the equation.

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Scalia's just... crazy, but the far left of the court is too activist.

He is by far, at least until Roberts got there, the most intelligent Justice on the bench and rules according to the Constitution as a Justice should.

jujuman13 · 01-05-07, 02:50 PM

IMHO I think the thread header should have read:-
Elected and Re-elected Politicians Culture of Corruption Continues.

And guess what?
You are the saps who put them in the positions where they can be corrupt.

And not just because they are Democrats or Republicans, but because they are Politicians.

Stinger · 01-05-07, 04:21 PM

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IMHO I think the thread header should have read:-
Elected and Re-elected Politicians Culture of Corruption Continues.

And guess what?
You are the saps who put them in the positions where they can be corrupt.

And not just because they are Democrats or Republicans, but because they are Politicians.

Did you see Jefferson get his standing ovation? So much for the higher ethical standard promised.

easyt65 · 01-11-07, 04:28 PM

Pardon my drive-by, hit-and-run to stir up controversy, but let me point out that the GOP does hold 1 MAJOR piece of 'moral' HIGH GROUND:

# Of Impeached U.S. Presidents EVER:

Democrats: 3

GOP: 0

Iriemon · 01-11-07, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by easyt65

Pardon my drive-by, hit-and-run to stir up controversy, but let me point out that the GOP does hold 1 MAJOR piece of 'moral' HIGH GROUND:

# Of Impeached U.S. Presidents EVER:

Democrats: 3

GOP: 0

Only two presidents have ever been impeached. But who needs to be accurate when you have morality on your side.

dragonslayer · 01-12-07, 12:29 AM

After reading the ridiculous posts in this forum by Stinger, I had a good laugh.

Corruption, is
just name for Bush and his Cripps
Deceiver, is
just another name for Bush and his Cripps
Liar is,
Just a typical adjective to describe his gangbangers
Guilty is,
just another name for Bush and the Pensylvania Avenue Cripps

There has been some corruption in all administrations, but the Bush Gang has set new goals for all other to reach for when it comes to Corruption.

some day we will probably have another NeoCons administration, but it will be hard for them to out corrupt Bush's Pennsylvania Avenue Cripps. I know this will be a goal in any NeoCon Government, to Out Corrupt Bush's Gang.

Stinger · 01-12-07, 10:51 AM

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After reading the ridiculous posts in this forum by Stinger, I had a good laugh.

Since you didn't cite anything from the post I have no idea what you are talking about. Since your charges of corruption are just a bunch of specious name calling, I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you have charges of corruption to bring then lay out the details else we can only assume you are making them up.

01-05-07, 02:50 PM	#43
jujuman13 Guru Join Date: Jun 2006 Last Seen: Today 05:41 PM Posts: 2,598 Thanks: 959 Thanked 295 Times in 194 Posts Lean: Independent Gender:	Re: Democrat Culture of Curruption Continues IMHO I think the thread header should have read:- Elected and Re-elected Politicians Culture of Corruption Continues. And guess what? You are the saps who put them in the positions where they can be corrupt. And not just because they are Democrats or Republicans, but because they are Politicians.

01-11-07, 04:28 PM	#45
easyt65 Professor Join Date: Dec 2005 Last Seen: 11-21-07 06:06 AM Posts: 2,061 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Gender:	Re: Democrat Culture of Curruption Continues Pardon my drive-by, hit-and-run to stir up controversy, but let me point out that the GOP does hold 1 MAJOR piece of 'moral' HIGH GROUND: # Of Impeached U.S. Presidents EVER: Democrats: 3 GOP: 0

01-12-07, 12:29 AM	#47
dragonslayer Counselor Join Date: Aug 2005 Last Seen: 11-07-09 03:25 AM Location: Pacific Northwest, Oregon Posts: 1,856 Thanks: 43 Thanked 138 Times in 111 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: Democrat Culture of Curruption Continues After reading the ridiculous posts in this forum by Stinger, I had a good laugh. Corruption, is just name for Bush and his Cripps Deceiver, is just another name for Bush and his Cripps Liar is, Just a typical adjective to describe his gangbangers Guilty is, just another name for Bush and the Pensylvania Avenue Cripps There has been some corruption in all administrations, but the Bush Gang has set new goals for all other to reach for when it comes to Corruption. some day we will probably have another NeoCons administration, but it will be hard for them to out corrupt Bush's Pennsylvania Avenue Cripps. I know this will be a goal in any NeoCon Government, to Out Corrupt Bush's Gang.

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