Skip

How are you independent? Independent has to do with political parties and it's fairly obvious you're in the pocket of the GOP.

I'm moderate fiscally, and on pretty much all social issues as well (I guess I'd be the first to call myself progressive on gay marriage however). As far as my political leanings go party-wise, I'm Democratic because I can't stand neoconservatism and their party, the Republicans.

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"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, under "Mission Accomplished" banner, May 1, 2003.
Since then, more than 3,970 American soldiers have died in Iraq.

Billo_Really

****in' neo's.......

Stinger

That doesn't prevent her from hiring union members instead of immirgrants. She can't pariticipate in the forming of a union nor try to prevent one, but she can certainly hire them, and there is a chance if she does they may insist on a union contract.

Stinger

Meaning what exactly? Do you believe the government needs more money and needs to spend more money, it's about right, or less on both accounts? Do you support the progressive tax system? How about spending on non-constitutionally authorized programs such as a national health care system? What is your position on corporate taxation? Should the tax system be used as a tool to mold social policy?

yeah you oppose abortion only when it isn't necessary anymore.

Not moderate that's for sure.

So again what is your moderate position?

Skip

I see we got ourselves a quiz here, but that's OK. I think the government is far too wasteful. I think welfare should be cut back somewhat. I think that all government waste, including the war in Iraq, should be ended. I think that the current tax system is broken and that taxes should be lowered for the middle class significantly and raised for the upper class slightly. I definitely believe in progressive taxation. I do not think that national health care should be mandated, but I do believe the issue should be addressed at the state level. Corporations should not be able to duck out of their fair share by using shelters, and that is easikly fixed by requiring a certain percentage of taxes to be paid by companies who do business here regardless of their H.Q.'s. I think the tax system should be used to get the Americans the fairest deal possible.

But most importantly, and this is why I loathe the Bush policy, I think the government should NOT spend money it does not have. I think that debt reduction is an important issue and one that neocon's couldn't give any less of a rat's *** about.

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"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, under "Mission Accomplished" banner, May 1, 2003.
Since then, more than 3,970 American soldiers have died in Iraq.

Caine

FAITHFUL_SERVANT


You ever going to respond to this or did you "cut and run"????

Stinger

Which has nothing to do with being a moderate.

That is a conservative position.

Why not say what you really mean, you oppose the war in Iraq? A liberal position.

Bush cut middle class taxes and the upper classes are paying more of total taxes than ever before. What percentage of income should the middle class pay in taxes ( and define middle class) and what percentage of income should the upper class pay? Or better yet what percentage of total revenues should the top 10% pay to the federal coffers?

A liberal postition.

Should it exist at all?

Like tax cuts for employee training. Or incentives for alternative energy research. Or charitiable contritutions?

They do, any profits made here or abroad are subject to taxes. That is one of the problems. Other countries do not tax for profits made outside thier borders. We do and it makes our companies less competitive and that is why some companies set up foriegn companies so they don't have to pay double taxes.

You dodged the question. Should it be used to mold society?

Which is a conservative position. Did you loath the Clinton policy?

Conservative do, the just voted out Republican congress lost sight of that. Will Democrat/liberals do better? Historically speaking I wouldn't expect them to.

Skip

Again I see we have a lot of quizzing here. I'll answer all of these questions if you'll respond and answer each of them yourself as well, allright? I consider the middle class to be, a rough figure here, those with incomes around $15-20,000 to about $40,000-ish. I'm taking these straight off the top of my head so... calm down there. I believe the top 10% should pay 40% or so to the federal government. Those in the middle class should pay about 15-20% depending on their location in the middle class.

I think it should be a state's issue. To each state their own.

Do you consider those unfair shelters? I sure don't.

Not sure if you understood me. I would eliminate extra taxation for corporations simply if they're H.Q.'d here or not, and depending on how many Americans they hired I would provide tax breaks. However ANY company who does business here regardless of H.Q. would be subject to taxation.

What exactly do you mean?

Fiscal discipline sure isn't a conservative position, just ask our current government how that's working out. And I did not loathe the Clinton policy as he provided some of the largest surpluses in the history of this nation.

Right because Clinton didn't get us any surplus at all.

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"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, under "Mission Accomplished" banner, May 1, 2003.
Since then, more than 3,970 American soldiers have died in Iraq.

Stinger

Originally Posted by Stinger
Bush cut middle class taxes and the upper classes are paying more of total taxes than ever before. What percentage of income should the middle class pay in taxes ( and define middle class) and what percentage of income should the upper class pay? Or better yet what percentage of total revenues should the top 10% pay to the federal coffers?


Do you believe $80,000 a year is wealthy and rich?

OK they pay over 50% in total taxes, so should we cut taxes? And I asked what percentage of total federal revenues should come from the top 10%?

Which is more than those in the income group you stated pays. Those under $35,000 pay basically no income taxes. The rest about 11% after the Bush tax cuts.

So should we repeal those tax cuts?


Me>> I do not think that national health care should be mandated, but I do believe the issue should be addressed at the state level.

As a moderate do you believe the government should run the health care system and require everyone to participate in it and make it illegal for anyone to seek health care outside the system?


You>> Corporations should not be able to duck out of their fair share by using shelters,

Me>> Like tax cuts for employee training. Or incentives for alternative energy research. Or charitiable contritutions?

So should they be allowed to duck out of what you assert is a fair shair of taxes by using those shelters?



You>> and that is easikly fixed by requiring a certain percentage of taxes to be paid by companies who do business here regardless of their H.Q.'s.

Me>> They do, any profits made here or abroad are subject to taxes. That is one of the problems. Other countries do not tax for profits made outside thier borders. We do and it makes our companies less competitive and that is why some companies set up foriegn companies so they don't have to pay double taxes.

You're right I have no idea what you are talking about?

So they get tax breaks for hiring Americans instead of immigrants?

All business who make a profit here pay tax on that profit. The difference is other countries don't also tax those profits on those foreign countries. We do, the profits are taxes twice. Thus some companies set up foreign subsidiaries so they don't have to pay the double tax.

you>> I think the tax system should be used to get the Americans the fairest deal possible.

Me>>You dodged the question. Should it be used to mold society?

You>> What exactly do you mean?

Should the tax system be use to shape public policy by offer tax breaks for certain behavior or should it be simply for raising revenues by the fairest and simplelist least intrusive means?



It most certainly is, the current (or rather former congress) did no manage the budget as conservatives but more like liberal Democrats.

Since he fought the measures that brought that about and always submitted budgets with higher spending than the Republican ( and democrat congresses for that matter) approved, on what basis do you give him credit for that.


Correct, he fought the measures that brought about those surplus and then tried to take credit for it. Did you fall for it?

Skip

It's not that black and white. $80,000/year is certainly well off. Wealthy or rich are irrelevant and up to each person's individual thinking. Do I think it's wealthy or rich? Perhaps slightly so.



I said federal, not total. And to your second question, I couldn't give you a figure. Definitely more than 10% though.


Hmm... no, they don't. Those making $15,000-$40,000 pay 15-25% to federal income taxes depending on their location in the brackets. I'd adjust the brackets so that it would be nearer 13% or so to 20%.


I would vote yes. I do believe that government should provide health care to those who can't afford it.

No, I don't think the government should do those things.

If they aren't paying taxes because they're using fair shelters, then they're still paying their fair share.

They get tax breaks for hiring Americans instead of Canadians, or Germans, or Indonesians or Vietnamese.

[QUOTE=Stinger;453094]All business who make a profit here pay tax on that profit. The difference is other countries don't also tax those profits on those foreign countries. We do, the profits are taxes twice.[QUOTE=Stinger;453094]

That doesn't make sense. We tax profits, foreign countries don't is what you're saying. So how is our taxation double taxation? Where's the other tax?

You mean tax breaks for buying hybrid vehicles and things of that sort? I don't see a problem with that at all.

Funny, the liberal Democrats weren't in power. It's funny how you attempt to blame this terrible fiscal mess on liberal, Democratic thinking - when it was neoconservative, Republican thinking that got us here.

Say what you want, Clinton presided over some of the largest surpluses in history. You can't argue the facts. What has Bush done concerning the surplus (or should I say, deficit)?

By the way, you didn't meet my request. I asked for you to answer every question that you've posed to me.

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"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, under "Mission Accomplished" banner, May 1, 2003.
Since then, more than 3,970 American soldiers have died in Iraq.