americanwoman

Pro-choice or Pro-life and why.




I am pro-choice. The reason is why although I don't agree with abortion I think woman have a right to choose since it is their life. I don't know every simple circumstance and I have no right to judge anyone. I don't know for sure when a fetus becomes a baby but I don't think it happens at conception.

Voidwar

Simplicity.

Jerry

I am neither PL nor PC, I am Anti-Abortion.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...your-view.html (Which best describes your view?)

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Felicity

Your reason is the same process of thought as a position that says the life in the womb should have a right to "choose." The life that is inconvenienced is the woman's, the life that is exterminated is the young human in her womb. Why not err on the side of the life that is in jeopardy of termination? Especially if you ADMIT you don't know.

Secondly, it is just bull-puckey or cowardice when a person claims he or she has no right to judge. Every person judges every day in myriad ways. You would be catatonic if you didn't "judge"--in fact, when you say you "don't agree" with abortion, you admit you have judged the act. When you get out of bed, you have "judged" the day worthy of your conscious action within it.

What you are really saying is that you believe in a relative morality--one that depends on no set of absolute definitions or facts. IOW--Other people's perspectives are just as accurate as yours are NO MATTER WHAT. Relative morality is that which bases its determinations on an ever-changing "relationship" between two specific frames of reference. And, since there is no "absolute" reference that is the "correct" perspective, ANY reference is correct. So basically--there is no "right" or "wrong"--merely a "relationship" among various perspectives.

Ultimately, if you leap way ahead on the logic path, that means that everything everywhere is without meaning anywhere. Is that what you really think? And if so--how can you have an opinion about ANYTHING? Can you see it is chaos and nihilism?

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Purple

Pro choice because it's a privacy issue.
What one does with their body is their choice. The government has no right to interfere.
Also I believe that the woman has rights the fetus doesn't. A woman's life is more important than an undeveloped/unborn fetus.

ngdawg

Into those funny mushrooms again, eh?
There's a difference between judging and forming an opinion. Maybe YOU judge people, that's been pretty obvious, but not everyone does with the voracity such as above.
Some of us simply don't make those kind of 'good person', 'bad person' judgements when it regards something like this. A choice is between the person making it and their own conscience/God/whatever.
There are basic rights and wrongs; your 'perception' is ridiculous, really. But in normal every day life, right and wrong comes down to the person who has to make the choice. Logic and the choices within it are not absolute.
And, by the way, fetuses, embryos, etc., can't make choices. We make the choice to carry, not carry and if/when we have kids, we make choices regarding their young lives while (hopefully) teaching them to make the choices that would be right for them.
Sometimes you're so off-base, you're not even in the game, Dear.....

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jallman

Except that the life in the womb does not have the capability of choosing. And it is feeding off the life of its host.

I believe the word you are looking for is "nonjudgemental". You know, some of us still subscribe to the idea of living our own lives and letting others do the same.

Ummm...except that the situations you listed are personal judgements relating to the person doing the judging only. Not judging others as a certain religious figure asked not to be done...

And that is all true when you are dealing with personal choice. What's your grand point?

You are right...that's quite a leap. A stretch in fact...no...no...its an outright lie.

Why don't you tell her...you've done such a fabulous job of telling her what she is really saying and meaning so far...

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Felicity

This is what I don't get...and maybe if you could explain it to me, I could understand your position better.

What ARE the basic "rights and wrongs" that are beyond the "ridiculous perception"??? You are expressing relativism here--but you are saying there is some "basic" point of reference that is understood. But that in and of itself contradicts your claim that "in normal every day life, right and wrong comes down to the person." How can the right and wrong be "basic" if there are as many options as there are individuals making choices?

I simply don't understand how that contradiction makes logical sense to you--YOU SAY: there "are basic rights and wrongs" but they are determined by "the person who has to make the choice."

Could you please explain how that says anything other than EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is right ....AND..... EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is wrong.

Jerry

In school we all have our own way of framing a wall, of shingling a roof, etc., but we all have to use the same blue print. We all have to use Standard units of measurement. A thing is either "square" or it is not. A thing is either level or it is not. A thing is either flush or it is not. A thing is either plumb or it is not.

In my field relativism has it's place, but in the end we all have to use the same basic systems.

I often wonder what sort of societal structure relativists are trying to create, given that they use whatever system of measurement they please.

The only conclusion I have reached thus fare is that relativists don't care about a solid structure, they just want to hammer and saw how they please and forget about building something of value and quality which serves a purpose.

Iriemon

Niether.

I'm not "por-life" because I don't believe that a single celled fertilized egg constitutes a human being and I'm not pro-choice because I don't believe it is a woman's sole authority to make a choice about having an abortion up to the day before birth or after.

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