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Old 05-15-05, 06:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Darwin's Theory Of Evolution

many people are against darwin's theory but evidence is more than substancial. So, should we teach this in Science?
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I voted yes, but only in the cavet that it is NOT taught as the only theory.

Creationism has not been ruled out as there is no true evidence to support that either of these are the truth.
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Re: Darwin's Theory Of Evolution

Here some interesting recent news about Kansas on this topic.

Source: Yahoo News

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TOPEKA, Kan. - The Kansas school board's hearings on evolution weren't limited to how the theory should be taught in public schools. The board is considering redefining science itself. Advocates of "intelligent design" are pushing the board to reject a definition limiting science to natural explanations for what's observed in the world.

Instead, they want to define it as "a systematic method of continuing investigation," without specifying what kind of answer is being sought. The definition would appear in the introduction to the state's science standards.
The proposed definition has outraged many scientists, who are frustrated that students could be discussing supernatural explanations for natural phenomena in their science classes.

"It's a completely unscientific way of looking at the world," said Keith Miller, a Kansas State University geologist.

The conservative state Board of Education plans to consider the proposed changes by August. It is expected to approve at least part of a proposal from advocates of intelligent design, which holds that the natural world is so complex and well-ordered that an intelligent cause is the best way to explain it.
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Here some interesting recent news about Kansas on this topic.

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Looks like a cop out in an effort to be politically correct.
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Evolution should be taught and religion should not. It is called science for a reason! Religion is not science. Plus, religion has no place in a state run institution (seperation of church and state). Ban all religious education in public schools and teach evolution.
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Re: Darwin's Theory Of Evolution

In my opinion, the basics of "where we came from" is really more of a religious/personal issue than something that should not be taught in schools at all..

HOWEVER...if it MUST be taught, Darwin's theory should not be presented as the sole, factual story of events, as it basically is in the public school system. As a Christian, I find this HIGHLY offensive. It is important to present all "theories" as equal if they are to be presented.
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The Theory of Evolution should be taught, but I think that the teachers should also hint at Creationism. Just so it's not a one-sided thing, that could anger alot of Christans.
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mmatejka actually voted no...wow....Arch enemy is correct. Darwin should be taught as the main theory and it should only be hinted at that we were created...even without the empirical evi...nevermind. He said it perfectly.
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I voted yes, but only in the cavet that it is NOT taught as the only theory.

Creationism has not been ruled out as there is no true evidence to support that either of these are the truth.
I agree completely. I also voted yes, but that is because I believe that Darwin's theory should be taught alongside other theories, including intelligent design, which is held by a large number of Catholics. If you look into some of the intelligent design theories that have been postulated, it isn't even wholly incompatible with the theories of Darwin and other evolutionists.
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Evolution should be taught and religion should not. It is called science for a reason! Religion is not science. Plus, religion has no place in a state run institution (seperation of church and state). Ban all religious education in public schools and teach evolution.

Which form of evolution should be taught? Marxist, or capitalist? So much for 'science' because depending on your political view you'll be able to find the science of your choice.

There's Nazi Science
Marxist Science
Feminist Science
Capitalist Science
various Nationalist Sciences
Finnish nationalist science! (see http://www.hf-fak.uib.no/smi/paj/isotalo.html)
Indian (see http://www.ljudmila.org/nettime/zkp4/08.htm)
Chinese
various religious-Sciences
Pythaogrean Science
Christian (Creationist) Science
Islamic Science
(some of these are psueduo sceinces, depending upon your a priori understandings of normative science)

For example, Marxists claim to have a special insight into science...applying Maxian ideas of construction to science...
“ According to the traditional 'internalist' view of science, scientists make up their minds on scientific issues primarily through reason, argument and evidence. Other factors may be involved, but they should be weeded out.”
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/revie...iobiology.html

“In Marxism, groups are more important than individuals. Capitalists view nature as competitive, whereas these Marxist critics tend to view it as being much more cooperative.”
Ibid.
That therefore the science in each society is relative of these a priori beliefs.

That is, they believe that scientists are biased, based on class distinctions. They are of course biased in their critique of science, everyone is, inside and outside of science.
The Chinese are quick to show the prominent role China played in our evolution. There is evidence that we evolved in Africa, or that we evolved elsewhere. http://www.chineseprehistory.org/beard.htm
Suggests that man arose in China, not Africa!* (or rather an ancestor of man arose there)
http://www.chineseprehistory.org//index.htm
is the introduction to this site. It is evidence of the nature of evidence, wholly subjective; that Chinese nationalism is behind these particular pieces of 'scientific evidence.' This increases the over-all number of different forms of science there are.
Why so many? Because people are people, and they bring subjective reasoning to the table. When 'evidence' is interpreted, it is interpreted by flawed and failed humans with biases just like everyone else's.


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Marxist Science (see http://www.marxist.com/Theory/study_guide2.html
for how it is applied to history of materialism)
Feminist Science (http://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/sci.html)

Feminists will find fault with Darwinsm, based on the male-orientated view-point that is taught.

Darwin postulated that females are ''coy,'' mating rarely and choosing their mates carefully, presumably betting their odds on the males with the best genes to contribute to their offspring. For their part, males are ''ardent'' and promiscuous, and fight amongst themselves for female partners. Later theories added that males are promiscuous because they have less to lose by making babies - unlike eggs, sperm are plentiful and small. Plus, females usually do most of the work to raise the offspring”
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-sag021003.php
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http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/re...ection219.html

“In the mid-nineteenth century, social Darwinists invoked evolutionary biology to argue that a woman was a man whose evolution - both physical and mental - had been arrested in a primitive stage. In this same period, doctors used their authority as scientists to discourage women's attempts to gain access to higher education. Women's intellectual development, it was argued, would proceed only at great cost to reproductive development. As the brain developed, so the logic went, the ovaries shrivel. In the twentieth century, scientists have given modern dress to these prejudices. Arguments for women's different (and inferior) nature have been based on hormonal research, brain lateralization, and sociobiology.?
Londa Schiebinger, “History and Philosophy”, in Sex and Scientific Inquiry, eds. Sandra Harding and Jean F. O'Barr, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), p. 26-27.
Quoted at: http://www.dean.sbc.edu/bart.html
Feminists claim that evolution, long the domain of men has present biased accounts of science in order to explain gender.
“Men's claims to “know” women's natures, abilities, limitations, and so forth have been a fundamental element of feminist criticisms since its genesis, primarily because it is precisely these claims which are used to justify the social and political subordination of women.”
Ibid.
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