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Old 05-11-05, 11:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Peace?

Good day to all,
We live in a period where war seems to be the main focus and the main subject of conversation.
Thats why I have decided to go in a more positive and optimistic direction.
Lets discuss peace; the possibility of peace and the type of peace.

The general question goes as follow:
Do you believe Perpetual peace (positive peace) can exist or war always remains a possibility and that peace can only be temporary (negative peace)?

Plz do join the conversation and tell us all your personal belief!

Thx you for participating, have a nice discussion.

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Old 05-11-05, 11:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Can you guess which way I lean?

I believe that perpetual peace is entirely possible, but only if one wants it to be possible. Patience and determination WITHOUT inaction is the key for peace, and personally I don't think we are as far away from that as some might suggest.

I hate the notion of "war will always be."

"Might as well be anti-iceberg." Or other things that suggest that pacifism is idealist. I do not believe it is idealist to think that one day we will grow away from solving problems with our guns and start solving problems with each other.

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Is perpetual peace possible? Well of course. Probable? No. It takes universal patience and understanding for peace to become perpetual. Will this happen anytime soon? I'm not sure...but i do know that..."If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set there'd be peace~John Lennon"
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I think the biggest problem with peace is how fragile and difficult it is. To break peace you need but to pull a trigger, however, to create it takes more effort and determination and perseverance than any war ever fought.
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I think that very few people would choose to engage in warfare when they think that they have a choice.
What would be a prerequisite for a positive peace would be an effective and equitable means of resolving serious conflicts.
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Re: Peace?

Peace? Interesting subject indeed. I do believe peace is achievable as long as animals (to include humans) no longer exist. This might seem a little negitive but rather it is reality at it's best. As long as we all have different ideas and live different lives our perceptions are often tanted. Of course we could place "rose colored glasses" onto our heads and pretend that all is well as we scorn over our latest delimma in life. My question, is democracy really the answer to peace?
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I think that very few people would choose to engage in warfare when they think that they have a choice.
How much money do you think people building weapons for our government make when we go to war?

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What would be a prerequisite for a positive peace would be an effective and equitable means of resolving serious conflicts.
Communication?
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Peace? Interesting subject indeed. I do believe peace is achievable as long as animals (to include humans) no longer exist. This might seem a little negitive but rather it is reality at it's best. As long as we all have different ideas and live different lives our perceptions are often tanted.
We're not debating the possiblility of everyone being the same and having all one mind. I think we will all concede that that is far from possible. We're talking about getting through our different ideas and different lives and different perceptions through nonviolent means. I believe that to be entirely possible.

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Yes, I think so. It's like here in America. If everyone has a voice, there isn't violence every time something doesn't go their way.
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How much money do you think people building weapons for our government make when we go to war?
What percentage of the population do you suppose they comprise? I don't know eactly, but I suppose that they fall into the category I described as "very few people."
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So far, for the past few millenia, communication, despite its obvious benefits and status as a prerequisite for resolving serious protracted conflicts, hasn't been that effective in and of itself. I suspect there needs to be something more.
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What percentage of the population do you suppose they comprise? I don't know eactly, but I suppose that they fall into the category I described as "very few people."
It is the governement that says when to go to war, not the majority of people.

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So far, for the past few millenia, communication, despite its obvious benefits and status as a prerequisite for resolving serious protracted conflicts, hasn't been that effective in and of itself. I suspect there needs to be something more.
There are no quick solutions when it comes to peace. When there is a stalemate, people throw up there hands, call each other unreasonable, and get the military.
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