26 X World Champs

OK gang, let's see where this goes? How old is the Earth? The reason I ask is that if it is more than 6300 years old the Bible is wrong, very wrong, meaning creationism is wrong, very wrong.

So which one of these are true?
Or this one:
So which is it? Is there any possibility that the Earth is only 6000 years old? All the scientific evidence that the Earth is 4 billion years old is wrong? It's some weird joke by our Higher Power?

I would sincerely like to hear how the Earth can be 4 billion years old if the Bible says it's only 6000 years old?

Can anyone explain this to me, scientifically?

Deus Ex Machina

Of course the Bible is right on the age of the earth!

We've been told a whole lot of hullaballoo by modern "scientists" -- crazy ideas like heliocentrism, a spherical earth, evolution and the blasphemous notion that lightning is electricity rather than being the wrath of God. So, you see, our whole perception of the universe has been warped by the godless commie/liberal public education system.

And did you ever wonder why there is a limit on how high you can fly in an airplane? No it's not because of the decreased air pressure. It's because if you fly too high, your plane might hit the firmament!

Mixed View

Well said Dues

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So where do the dinosaurs come into all this? Did we make them exstinct by beating them with clubs?

Also what about the proof of two different species of Human co-existing in Europe 10,000 years ago?

You can't ignore the fossilized bones. Most Christians now admit that the earth is way older than what was realized.

Plus for the population of the human race goes from 2 - 6,000,000,000 in 6000 years? Even if you ignore disease factors, this is an impossibilty.

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Deus Ex Machina

No. They went extinct because they couldn't fit onto Noah's Ark.

Proof? Who needs that? Most of the stories in the Bible are completely unverified, and yet the good book remains a bestseller.

Yeah, but who's digging up all those fossilized bones? It's those godless "scientists" again. Please give me a fair and unbiased source!

Yes it can happen. If people follow God's laws and stop using birth control, we can breed like rabbits!

26 X World Champs

Thanks for putting the right spin on this issue! I'm still waiting to read posts from people who really do believe the Earth is only 6000 years old.

walrus

First let me say that if the Earth is not around 4.5 billion years old, someone (or something) went to a lot of time and trouble to make it appear as though it is, and I don't believe God is in the habit of leaving deceptive evidence around.

That said, I believe that God created the heavens and the Earth. I also believe that the Earth (and universe) has evolved to it's present form in much the way that evolutionary scientists believe that it does. Genesis is not a science textbook, and was never meant to be. It is a simple story for a people whose idea of hi-tech was animal husbandry. Can you imagine God saying to Moses, "In the beginning I created the heavens and the Earth. At first the Earth was shapeless and without form - more or less a torus shaped cloud of molecular hydrogen. Then I said, let atoms of hydrogen come together so that they may increase their gravitational attraction and thus form an immense cloud of collapsing hydrogen. Then I said, Let there be Light!, and within that cloud pressure reached critical mass and simple hydrogen to helium fusion began to occur..." etc... When you get down to it, the Bible never really even says that creation lasted seven days. Here, from Easton's Bible Dictionary is the Hebrew word translated as "day" in Genesis:

The words following the definitions with the numbers next to them are the other words that this same word is translated as in other parts of the Bible, and the number of times it is thus used. Keeping in mind that Genesis is a linguistic nightmare on the best days.

Here is a question I do want one of the fundamentalist creationist to answer though. On any given night I can go outside with my middle sized telescope and see the Andromeda Galaxy, the Clouds of Magellan, et. al. The nearest of these is approximately 190,000 light years distant. This distance has been confirmed by the dual methods of parallax measurement and doppler shift. If the Earth is only 6,000 years old, the light from those Galaxies should still be 184,000 light years away, therefore we should not see it. One person suggested to me that God created the light "en route" to us. This seems unneccesarily deceptive and complicated on God's part. I firmly believe that God didn't put anything in the universe that can not be rationally explained (even if that explanation is far beyond our current knowledge).

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Pacridge

You should check out a show on the "Angel Network” called "The Creation Network.” They honestly believe the earth is just over 6000 years old. They use some pretty hilarious facts to prove it too.

GetVictd

You Think HuH?

So would I have once but I read something or two in scripture and was baffled.


Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Matthew 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Matthew 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Matthew 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Matthew 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].

After I read this I was like hey! Why is Jesus being mysterious? But then I understood that it was most likely because His power was so great that He could heal/save anyone even unrighteous/undeserving.


as the prophet would say
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

So if He chooses to have us in discord over whether the earth was made 6000 or 3billion years ago...that's His business...Remember the called are called to walk by Faith not by Sight.

sebastiansdreams

Problem here is in the case of the parables, Jesus wasn't giving misguided information, just giving them stories that the apostles could later run with, it would seem. Because, as we know, the apostles either understood or were told the meanings of the parables. But it seems that rather than attempting to mislead the the people, as would be the case with evolutionary evidence, it was simply an overdulling or storytime method of teaching a greater lesson that they may understand at a later time (notice He was speaking in the present about them not being able to understand, not future).
As walrus has stated, and I agree, the word Yohm is certainly ambigious, and at the time it was originally translated, didn't make a difference at all. This was originially translated centuries before Darwin. Therefore, really, there was no reason to contest that the world was made in a week or that it was made in billions of years. But now that we have the science that shows us otherwise, we re-examine the word use, and find that it is ambigious, and can very feasibly mean period of time undertermined.
However, the truly ironic part is that everyone is always so concerned about that part, about how the world was made, within what time period everything occured. But the true problem is that if one is questioning the truth behind this story, then they have completely ignored the very first and most important verse. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That is a much larger and bolder statement.
You wish to prove that the Bible is not true 26x? Then you're going to have to look at sources outside of it, because the Bible has been picked apart by plenty of people that have thrown up their hands in exasperation long before you were ever thought of. The reality is that it is a book of faith. I can not prove that God exists anymore than you can prove He does not. I cannot prove that Christ has saved me anymore than you can prove He hasn't. I can not prove any more that the Holy Spirit dwells in me any more than you can prove It does not. But, I have experienced something that you have not. If you could prove the Bible was wrong in the first few verses, why do you suppose millions still read it on a daily basis over nineteen hundred years after its compiliation? Pure brainless following just doesn't seem to cut it.

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