Illegal iimmigration

I_bleed_redwhiteandblue · 05-01-05, 10:00 AM

This is a subject dear to my heart.

Illegal Immigration is crippling our country, in terms of economically and in terms of defense. If we dont close off the borders soon, 9/11 will start happenning on a daily basis.

There are over 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. These people are taking our jobs, taking our social security, sleeping with our women, getting drivers licenses, going to our schools and being educated while our classrooms get overcrowded and so our kids suffer. this whole thing is getting out of control.

We need to close the borders, not only down south, but up north too, Remember, its not racist to make immigration sensible and its not racist to love this great country of ours that our brave men and women in Iraq are fighting for and these illegal immigrants should realize that.

vauge · 05-01-05, 11:25 AM

Welcome to Debate Politics!

Close the borders - Amnesty is not the answer.

Arch Enemy · 05-01-05, 12:50 PM

um somehow you're misinformed.

These illegal immigrants (mainly the Mexicans) actually help our infrasturcture, they do jobs that we need down but most Americans are too lazy or pre-occupied to do.

Vague is correct, dealing with the rest. Think about it, how good would it look for the country of the free to not be free to anyone else execpt Americans.

vauge · 05-01-05, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch Enemy

These illegal immigrants (mainly the Mexicans) actually help our infrasturcture, they do jobs that we need down but most Americans are too lazy or pre-occupied to do.

Just think of the boost to our economy if hard labor was no longer dirt cheap.

Your going on the premise that stuff will NOT get done if illegals didn't do it. I propose that is wrong. Where there is a will - there is a way. It will be more expensive, but it would definatly get done. Tomatoes can be picked and houses can be built without them.

Squawker · 05-01-05, 03:27 PM

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We need to close the borders, not only down south, but up north too, Remember, its not racist to make immigration sensible and its not racist to love this great country of ours that our brave men and women in Iraq are fighting for and these illegal immigrants should realize that.

I agree. Take the people on welfare and make them do the jobs the illegals did. Kill two birds with one stone.

I_bleed_redwhiteandblue!

Squawker · 05-01-05, 08:24 PM

This is happening in every state in the country. I don’t see how this is sustainable.

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DANBURY, Conn. — This middle-class New England suburb is nowhere near an international border but it still has the illegal immigration problems familiar to cities like San Diego and Tucson, Ariz.
Thursday, April 28, 2005
Mayor Mark Boughton (search) blames the government for his town's inability to cope with 15,000 illegal immigrants, approximately 19 percent of the overall population.
"This is one community that has been incredibly stressed by failed federal policy and we need help," said Boughton.
Because the illegal residents aren't counted in the U.S. census, Danbury (search) doesn't receive any federal aid for them.
"In terms of our social services, this presents a tremendous strain, particularly on quality of life of our neighborhoods, our schools our health care system," Boughton said.
Residents complain the influx is killing property values. Homeowner Peter Gadiel said neighbors are fed up. "They're blue collar workers and their whole life savings is tied up in their house and they're seeing their neighborhood being destroyed."
The mayor says he wants state police officers to be deputized as federal immigration officers — giving them access to a federal database and helping them track illegal immigrants. But Connecticut's attorney general said Boughton needs the approval of the governor and others before that can happen.

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mmatejka · 05-04-05, 08:36 AM

Illegal aliens (specifically Mexican immigrants) typically do the work that us Americans seem to think we're "too good" to do. )I.E. Ditch digging, fruit harvesting, and other general hard labor). If you remove this cheap labor and replace it with expensive American labor, it will have an absolutely crippling effect on the economy, especially in California, which derives a significant amount of it's labor force from illegals

Kevin Johnson · 05-04-05, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Arch Enemy

um somehow you're misinformed.

These illegal immigrants (mainly the Mexicans) actually help our infrasturcture, they do jobs that we need down but most Americans are too lazy or pre-occupied to do.

Vague is correct, dealing with the rest. Think about it, how good would it look for the country of the free to not be free to anyone else execpt Americans.

Let legal immigrants come in and do those jobs. Illegal immigrants are a drain on our resources and economy. The only government assistance they should receive is the quickest possible transport right back to the country they came from.

shuamort · 05-04-05, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Johnson

Let legal immigrants come in and do those jobs. Illegal immigrants are a drain on our resources and economy. The only government assistance they should receive is the quickest possible transport right back to the country they came from.

The problem with that being is that Legal immigrants get paid (at least) minimum wage. Illegal immigrants are paid under the table and paid less with their employers also not paying taxes on them.

I've got a problem with a lot of the loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country and suck off of its teat. One way to start closing them is to require that all welfare, schooling, etc be only available by producing a social security number, and also make sure that only US Citizens have social security numbers.

In my humble opinion, the biggest problem with illegal immigration isn't even being addressed by the politicians. In Mexico, an outbreak of tuberculosis is happening and spreading into the border states (California, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico). TB is a serious disease and while curable, is costly, preventable, and there's 50% chance the person can contract the disease again.

Kyle · 05-04-05, 11:52 AM

Mexican immgrants may live in a sh*t country, but sneaking their way into mine is not the right way to go about it. Border patrol needs to instil some fear into these people, as is, they really have no reason not to repeatedly try to cross the border.