naptowntruthseeker

No I wasn't talking about you.

teacher

We all saw a large fuel laden plane fly into a tower. It is not hard to imagine the rest. Class class shut up thank you. The Towers moved their structural steel normally placed from the core to the face all to the face to provide large column free spaces. To do this the floors were formed of long metal trusses from the core to the face. Long SPAN. Brainwashed monsters flew a plane into a tower. The mass destroyed many face columns before ripping a floors high, wingspan wide, path of sprinkler head shredding, fire wall penetrating, fire retardant removing, giant flue through our nations pride. Parts went clean through to set other buildings on fire. It is truly horrible to think the dispersion of the full tank's jet fuel through this swath. But first Mass x Speed = Force and the force of impact is spread with a bulge opposite of impact and the shock wave going up and down. Kinetic energy is absorbed by the swaying of the building. A building designed to withstand the impact of a plane stands. Fire. At the very least a large plane shaped area of sprinkler heads have been shredded. Instead of spraying water everywhere, just in one spot then straight down. Not a lot of coverage for the jet fuel infernal that starts. Have you ever stood on a ladder and had to remove a small piece of sprayed on fire retardant on structural steel to give good purchase for a mechanical fastener? I have. I used a small flat head screwdriver. I think as all the debris of the plane was shredded by the structural steel it also stripped the sprayed on fire retardant while being shredded. Have you ever stopped to notice the plasma over a puddle your welding? Do you take time to make yourself notice that tiny inferno while cutting a straight line through 1" steel with an oxygen/acetylene torch? Do you have any concept of the riddle of steel? Many have heated metal to make it easier to shape. These long spans between core and face are being heated over their about 1000 degrees Fahrenheit temperature where it loses rigidity. Heated spans sag like a BBQ grill. Sagging trusses increase pressure on truss to face anchor bolts above shear strength and fail. Young man give me that knife. Thank You. Domino. Floor falls on floor unable to bear weight of above falling floors weight and its own with its own sagging. Pancake. Can you imagine the mix of fault, tamper, alarm and normal signals the lower floors received and what the ensuing outputs did? Did any elevator go to where it should? Did a pathway of dampers fail and force toxic smoke to a area unaffected? No I will not view more than the first 2 minutes of that 911 garbage by he who remains unnamed. Facts? You saw the tape. See how hard it is to bend a fork then heat in middle and try. Homer say "Doh". Plane's mass exposes too great a surface area of structural steel to plane's fuel fed flames causing sag of trusses due to high temperature weakened steel leading to truss to face anchor bolt shear strength excision. What's my point? That 911 tape author is either trying to make money or actually going out of his way to lie to change one's perception of the truth. If the later then that is a bad person. Who would do such a thing? My Honorably Discharged self would like to give him the what for. They did it. Class dismissed.

teacher

[QUOTE=Squawker] Our posters are far too intelligent to entertain this idea,



Apparently not. Too many even entertained the premise I fear. I entertain because to lose even one to the enemy's propaganda is swell not, way. Free the women.

teacher

Many years ago the first time I thought through this visualization, I had that same feeling as when I first saw film of a plane hitting a tower. That breath thing and thought or uttered "Oh my God". Imagine your some Joe in his chair just above impact. Do you hear or feel it first? Then you move perpendicular to the surface of the earth faster than you ever had, all these years in this Tower. Maybe for an instant it's surreal before reality hits. Myself? Run, down, fast, untill something else intrudes. But he died in his fear and terror. Just what they want. So we get away with it in Isreal why not try US? Think they. They hoped to fell a tower the first time with the Impeachee. Some Cruise missles and bombs. Acceptable response. Next try suceeds. Fade to that exquisit moment when Bugs says "You know, this means war".

They did it.
Free the woman.

alan

OK, Teacher. Why don't you explain WTC #7 for me. Remember 7? Most Americans don't even know about this 47-story building that collapsed into it's footprint on the afternoon of 9/11, even though NOTHING hit it! They showed it on National TV on 9/11, but there's been a complete news blackout ever since. They don't even mention it's collapse at all in the Official Commission Report! Hmmm. Why do they want us to forget about this? Why? Because it's the SMOKING GUN that proves our gov't's involvement.
Look at the videos in the links I've provided:


http://www.wtc7.net


Building 7 was the third skyscraper to collapse into rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, small fires leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team who investigated the collapse were not allowed access to the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report, the evidence had been destroyed.

Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent? (Some of the rubble from Ground Zero went to New Jersey, but all the sections that would explain the collapse were recycled as described above)

(IMG:http://wtc7.net/docs/streamers.jpg)
Half-way through Building 7's 6.5-second plunge, streamers suggestive of demolition charges emerged from the facade.

Videos Show Building 7's Vertical Collapse.
The survival of several video recordings of Building 7's collapse, though of low resolution, allow study of the building's motion and the time of collapse.

Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance.
(IMG:http://www.wtc7.net/docs/wtc_7_cbs_s.jpg)

Video Broadcast by CBS - 1.4mb - mpeg
This 36 second video shows Building 7 from an elevated vantage point to the distant northeast.

(IMG:http://wtc7.net/docs/wtc7_collapse_s.jpg)

Video from NBC news camera - 1.5mb
This 9 second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point about mile to the northeast on West Broadway.

(IMG:http://www.wtc7.net/docs/wtc7_collapse2_s.jpg)

video broadcast on CBS - 1.7MB - mpeg
This 9.6 second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point only about 1000 feet to the north.


World Trade Centre 7 was a Controlled Demolition! (which takes at least a full week to prepare. Are we supposed to believe Bin Laden did that?)

teacher

[ Not a problem. I am objective. Will now view your links. Not up to speed on #7. Keep in mind I am (amoung other things) a structural rigger, a metal fabricator, and a fire alarm tech (alarms, sprinklers, fire suppression, smoke doors, negative pressure, floor above/below, air dampers, fire pumps, risers, fire retardant, fire walls, elevator recall, and so on). Feel free to challenge me on my knowledge of these issues. I'll break out my NFPA manuals if needed. As I told biblemark before viewing his science lacking pathetic links if this is more conspiracy drivel I will take you to the academic woodshed. If these links have merit I will put all of my pea sized brain to investigation of such. I don't march the party line. Conspicuously missing from your post was comment of my explanation of the towers. You glossed over that to ask me about something I did not address with it seems a "if your so smart then explain this" tone. Indulge me. Does it make the simple sense as I see it? Was my science or logic faulty? A good teacher can always learn. Teacher has homework. Out.

vauge

Wow... my jaw just dropped - no words to say.

This pic is hard to explain:

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Pacridge

What's the picture suppose to show? I'm lost.

teacher

Now that your text has been torn a new one let me speculate from the poor videos I saw on what might have happened. Class in session.
On your links I read there was no reason for the fires to start. (This is so easy). Did you not see the planes hitting the big towers? Did you not see the amount of debris fly straight through them? Did you see the pictures of one of the planes engines laying on a street corner? Do you think dense objects (engines and such) go from 500mph to 0 in the span of the inside of the towers?

Here is ONE way it could happen and this comes straight from my brain seeing only poor videos and using com mom (though educated) sense.

A dense flaming piece of wreckage shoots through the big tower to land inside #7 on a lower floor. There WILL be a test on this. Imagine a sprinkler system like a tree. On a lower floor is something called a fire pump. Water does not magically flow up it needs to be forced through ever smaller growing pipes as it goes up. The fire pump forces water at great pressure through at first large pipes called risers. Taps from risers spread out to smaller pipes at each floor to feed sprinkler heads. The fire pump is not on all the time or its pressure would cause pipes or heads to eventually fail thus necessitating the water to be shut off and the call for a guy with a mop to go out. The pump is turned on by an initiating device. A smoke detector, pull station or any number of fire devices. Now the pump does keep some pressure in the pipes at all times. Say a sprinkler head is set of somewhere. Water flows out that head. In sprinkler pipes is a device called a flow switch. It senses water flowing through the pipe. It also is an initiating device. All these initiating devices are connected to a fire control panel (FCP). The FCP sends a signal to the fire pump relay which turns the fire pump on full bore. This signal goes over a pair of 16 guage wires (on an addressable FCP) to the fire pump relay. Now back to our flaming debris. Say this piece cuts the wire going to the fire pump. Now none of the sprinklers in the entire FRIGGIN building work. The fire in#7 burned for 7 hours. The fact that it burned for 7 hours tells me the sprinkler system is not working. I also saw somewhere in your little site that they said the steel then must have magically turned to jelly for the structural integrity to fail. They said this snidely. What those dumb asses don't realize is that is exactly what happened. All structural steel on modern buildings has some sort of fire RETARDANT. Not fire proofing. This gives it a fire rating. So much time at such a temperature before it fails. This gives time for evacuation (the occupants being made aware by notification devices. Horns, strobes, voice evac ect.) and for the fire department to come put out the fire before failure of fire retardant.Hang onto your knickers and think harder now. The big towers fire retardant was stripped away by the fast moving debris exposing steel right away to high temperatures causing steel to lose its rigidity quickly causing the collapse. #7 kept its retardant but with sprinklers not working the fires kept on bringing us to the temperature/time equation. 7 hours that building stood. If the F.D. was not so busy with the big towers this would be plenty of time to extinguish these fires. But alas those heroes were a tad busy. [Side note. You friggin piece of feces how dare you suggest our own government would wontonly kill its own citizens, police, and firefighters for what, to stoke the coffers of the military industrial complex I suppose you might say. Does your blind hatred of Bush so addle your brain that logic becomes ungraspable, making you clutch at any feeble straw to validate you allconsuming ire? But I digress]. So that LARGE fire on the lower floors had its time to weaken the steel. Just one lower floor collapsing sets into motion all that static kinetic energy. Unstoppable. That is exactly why your silly little videos show the whole building come down together. The very video you think proves your silly theory exposes the truth. You would have been better off not pointing me in that direction. Now I know more. Teacher HAS learned. To the embarrassment of the foil hat crowd. Now it is preponderant upon you to face facts or continue wandering through life with your blinders on and fingers in your ears murmuring "I hate Bush. I hate Bush". To those of you with any sense asking why I bother with this crowd its because this is serious business. BS like this draws people away from the fact that those terrorists did this and will not stop ever unless the full force and intellect of the U.S.A. bears down on them with our best and brightest. 20 years ago our biggest problem was the red menace. Well our great nation took care of that to the betterment of the ENTIRE FRIGGIN WORLD. We surely can take care of this terrorist problem but this crowd makes it that much more difficult. An unnecessary distraction to those who do good. We can not let incorrect BS sway the minds of the easily fooled deter our leaders from what must be done. Not staying this course will doubtless eventually lead to a nuke in our back yard. That is an "I told you so" I can go without uttering. Class dismissed.

And by the way. Alan. I notice you have one post only and its pointed at me. Makes one think.

vauge

The building collapsed on itself. Straight down. The outer walls fell in. Not a normal way for a building to fall. Very clean - didn't even touch the surrounding buildings. Plus, this was a CIA building. Suprised your not all over this Pac.
Go check out the video's, they are interesting. I am not declaring this is what happened, but it is interesting. Teacher's explanation is very good as well.

Teach, I understand that this is a sensative subject, but please refrain from personal attacks. Thanks.

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