Didga

There are many leaks, from people resigning within the government structure to slip ups in the mainstream media. 911 is a conspiracy of grand scale and it requires a huge cover up and media filtering of grand proportion to pull it off. So lots of medium level figures have gone to media and come clean but their voices have been filtered out (Morgan Reynolds, Cynthia Mckinney, Michael Meacher etc.). If you are up high enough in the conspiratorial pyramid to be able to prove the entire 911 plot and wish to come clean you are liable to be alienated or not believed as the media will turn on you. Bit players only have pieces of the plot, would you come clean and say "I was the guy from the CIA special PSYOPS team that planted thermite explosives in the basement"? What would happen to you, would it ever make it to air? Or would you be arrested on national security reasons and held for as long as required? Gag orders apply for all government agencies involved in 911. Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md. can say that molten steel was found at the site of ground zero in American Free Press. Larry Silverstein and Dan Rather can slip up in the mainstream media, but you need a high level insider to come out and tell you on Fox. It is not going to happen, JKF just tried to change things away from conspiratorial control and he was assassinated. 911 is a conspiracy of grand scale, just like the JFK assassination. Who do you expect to tell you so?

Blah

As many posters have said, the whole government was positively NOT in on 9/11. It was a select amount of people in the positions needed. Im sure the government had their way of keeping the secret. The absolute best way for you to understand how this could and did happen is by reading the pdf document for Operation Northwoods. Afterwords do a search for interviews. Many high government officials have never heard of Operation Northwoods, and many have continued to deny that it was ever written, even though the pdf is on the National Security Archive's website. (There is a .edu in the address)

People commit crimes all the time. You just have to look at 9/11 and simply say. "Who benefits?" Was it the terrorists? Or was it the government, stock holders, defense contractors, etc.

arussian

Bwa-ha-ha! Mega-LOL !
“The exact mechanism that initiated failure is not known...” (Wilkinson,2006, p.4)
I wonder if one could put it better! How do you suppose, Trajan, should this guy say in official paper?

“Reader, freeze, stop any mental activity and don’t ask questions about possible explosives?”

He had expressed himself even elegantly, without obvious lie, with just a little omission of a slippery topic. It is perhaps even low than medium level of everyday hypocrisy.
I totally agree with him but with some specification: “The exact mechanism that could initiate failure without explosives is not known...”

oldreliable67

And you think a 'few hundred' people can all keep this kind of secret? Nope. No way. Impossible. Totally wrong. It is hard enough to for 2 people to keep a secret, much less 'a few hundred'.

But, you know what? I really would like to see a truly independent investigation, one that would be so 'blue ribbon' that the results would be so definitive, so conclusive, so impossible-to-argue-with, so god-like that it would shut up one or the other of the parties to this debate. It can shut up either the conspiracy theorists or it can silence the there-was-no-conspiracy group. It doesn't matter which as long as the result leaves absolutely no room for argument afterwards.

Actually, to say that it doesn't matter which might be proven right is not true. I was there and survived and have made my observations known so you know where I personally stand. Moreover, I wonder about the motivations of some who continue to promote this conspiracy theory. For some, it appears to be nothing more, nothing less than pure naivete. For others, I don't know. It certainly doesn't appear to a search for 'truth, justice and the American way'.

And most of all, the implications for our country if the conspiracy theorists were proven true are beyond contemplation. Which also makes me wonder about the motivation of some.

Blah

Yes their needs to be an open investigation. The 9/11 commission was denied alot of info that wouldve been necessary to really investigate what happened. Oldreliable, im starting to think its you that is naive. Just because you were there doesnt mean you know everything that happened. I dont know what happened either. But seriously look at the physics. The ****ing physics.

(Done talking directly to you)

Wait, I apologize. I forgot, on 9/11/01 the speed of free fall was temporarily altered. Yep, thats obviously PROOF that the governments theory is better. I mean they are SO smart that they can change the laws of physics! Yeah, I mean a 110 building, falling in a pancake style collapse, would have little or no resistance, right?

A plane flying into the pentagon leaves no damage around the hole where the passenger cabin went in. The government answers this question simply!

"Well....you see.....when the nose hit the building, the wings are SO smart that they fold up to resist impact, and then before the plane fully entered the building, the tail also ducked down, of course, to not further damage the building. The firemen did not report finding any major parts of the plane that day, or any black boxes. However, later on (weeks and months later) the firemen mysteriously remembered in second interviews seeing the plane. Maybe it just temporarily was invisible until after the first review. The planes these days can do that you know, because again, they are smart."

The lease owner ****ing admitted building 7 was pulled in a god damn PBS documentary. It was on TV. Yup. The thing is, if it was pulled, those explosives would have had to be put in BEFORE 9/11. Oh oh....not looking good.

In 1976 the military devised a plan to pull off the perfect terrorist attack. Sending hijackers on planes with box cutters and flying them into the world trade center. Weird, that sounds like something that happened in 2001. It was someone from the military who came forward, passed lie detector tests, and blew the whistle on this. I guess everyone cant keep secrets.

After losing a lawsuit to 9/11 families and the NY Times, New York city had to release videos of firefighters and policemen after 9/11. In many interviews the firemen and policemen reported "hearing or seeing explosions inside the WTC." Weird. They are ALL liars. **** THEM, right?

50% of New York city answered a poll stating they think the government knew about the attacks and let them happen. 43% of New York state had the same response. Its funny, its like the farther away you get from the tragedy, the less people care.

Top priority of the FBI after the pentagon was hit: Collect security video tapes from a local hotel and gas station. You know, for national security. Well everyone is so sure its a plane that flew into the pentagon, so why dont they release the ****ing video? Not like it matters anymore, they could do so much digital **** with it.


You know what. Let me just post the governments theory, tell me this isnt just as ****ing crazy.

US Government's theory: Pentagon anti missile barriers failed. Hijacking procedures failed. Total Defense failure. FBI closes many promising investigations. Memo titled "Bin laden determined to attack in the United States" ignored. Messages transmitted (and being listened to by government officials) warning of 9/11 on the days before 9/11, were not recieved until 9/12. 19 Hijackers from another country were able to completely undermine the US defense system, 4 hijackings went unintercepted with ample time between the crashes to prevent another disaster, the story on when intercepter jets left, where they left from, how fast they went, and why they didnt make it was changed, twice. The insider trading that occured the three days before 9/11 were coincedence. They were already planning to attack Afghanistan, but this was the icing on the cake. The first three steel buildings to ever fall, fell on the same day. One was not hit by a plane, they all fall at nearly free fall speed. However, they reportedly collapsed gradually.

Lucidthots

WTC DETONATION

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2...etonations.gif

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Lucidthots

He has you believing he was there?....ha ha ha ha ha...yeah he is tricky like that.

He means in 1993---the first Trade Tower bombing.

He likes to mix the two up to confuse people into thinking he is a 911 survivor.

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Blah

Maybe you will believe someone who was in the military, who worked in a study in 1976 that revolved around arabs using box cutters to hijack planes and fly them into the WTC. You can get articles from the main site and view pdf documents.

www.codenamegrillfire.com

Lucidthots

Here is the audio of the explosions which caused the WTC Tower to collapse:

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/jlhudson.aif

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Didga

Lucid, I think you will find that oldreliable67 was present at the WTC complex both in 93 and 2001.

oldreliable67, I am right in believing that you were on the 80th floor in the North Tower when the first plane hit ? Therefore below the sight of impact and able to exit the building via the stairs? Have you seen the Naudet brothers 911 doco? You could be one of the people walking out through the lobby above the firefighters temporary command post.

Lucid could you provide any further information in regards to the audio track featuring explosives, it does sound like a controlled demolition but how do we know its from the WTC collapse, and if so which tower?