September 11th conspiracy theories - Page 101

Dem Bruce Lee Styles!! · 10-25-05, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Islam when translated means submission. Israel was attacked by the followers of Al-Husseinni who if you read the article I posted you would know was an organizer of muslim ss units during ww2, Arafat just happens to be al-Husseinnis pupil and direct descendent.

Here's the definition of it translated from Arabic, "submission" is just a one part of it's meaning.

[Arabic ’Islam, submission, from ’aslama, to surrender, resign oneself, from Syriac ’alem, to make peace, surrender, derived stem of lem, to be complete. See lm in Semitic Roots.]

Regardless I'm not Muslim, I don't want to be not because I don't like it but because It's not my culture. But I still have respect for people even if they don't share by personal beliefs. Islam isn’t as terrible as your making it out to be. And by doing that you’re showing a slight bigoted racism and an irrational islamophobia. I'm not saying all Muslims are great, I'm just saying that Islam has been unjustly scapegoated and demonised as a pretext to invade the Middle East.

Dem Bruce Lee Styles!! · 10-25-05, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Now you are on the right track. That is a more open minded response. I share your thoughts as well. Thinking about how many people would have had to be involved is sickening. But there are so many facts its impossible to look away from them. There is more to this story. I cant tell you how much more. I cant tell you who was in on what. I can only provide facts about what actually occured that sad day. And just so you know, what you stated as a fact is not a fact, it just shows you dont believe its possible for our government to do this. You really should read Operation Northwoods though.

Nobody here wants to think alot of people knew about 9/11. But alot of people did. 60 times the normal amount of put options were sold in the three days leading up to 9/11 for American and United Airlines, and only those two airlines.

Exactly! It's understandable for anyone to dismiss this, I didn’t question a thing about Bin Laden and 9/11 for about three years after the attack. And I would have probably laughed at the idea, especially if I saw some crap about holograms and pods. But Trajan Octavian Titus, you've got to stop being so insulting and approach this with an open mind, and actually think about this replying with comments that are constructive even if you still disagree.

Dem Bruce Lee Styles!! · 10-25-05, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucidthots

No one would sell heroin.

No one would join a gang.

No one would be involved in organized crime.

No one would steal.

No one would murder.

Our government would not attack its own citizens.

When you understand that a certain percentage of the population is fully capable of criminality on a large scale, you understand how this could happen.

I had a Jew "Benyamin" on this site tell me how the Israelites were justified in committing genocide on the Canaanites.

I had a Marine "Gyst" justify the US and British involvement in the Opium trade saying that "Opium is not illegal in all countries" as if that makes it "okay" to traffick dope.

Not everyone shares your morality and your desire to help and to do good to your fellow man.

When you understand that criminals exist, you can understand how a faction inside our government is capable of murdering its own citizens, the very citizens it is supposed to protect.

This is a simple matter of the criminal mind at work, unchecked, inside our government.

And when they can control the media, they can get away with it......which is what gives the internet such a vital role in Freedom of Speech--here at home and around the world.

Great post dude!!

Dem Bruce Lee Styles!! · 10-25-05, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

But the simple fact of the matter is that in a conspiracy on this grand of a scale that there is no way that everyone involved would be able to keep quite. Are you really suggesting that every member in congress is part of the conspiracy, that all the higher ups in the pentagon are part of the conspiracy, that if they are that there would not have been a leak, I think you give our government way to much credit my friend.

It’s called compartmentalisation. Only a small number of people would have known exactly what was happening, maybe a few hundred worldwide. The rest of the government are totally innocent, and are just following the system.

Dem Bruce Lee Styles!! · 10-25-05, 07:30 AM

Icelandic Green-Left Party Demands International Inquiry on 9/11

From: Elias Davidsson
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:27:45 +0000
Subject: Good news
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...51024011250549

Dear friends,

I have good news to announce.

The Biannual Congress of the Icelandic Green-Left Party just closed. About 400 delegates attended. The Congress passed a resolution on 9/11. It was passed by the General Assembly of the Congress by acclamation, without opposing votes. I urge you to disseminate it to Green and Leftist organisations and parties wherever possible, as well as within the 911 movement.

Greetings,
Elias

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Here is a rush translation of the resolution.

Resolution on the Events of 9/11

The Congress of the Green-Left Party held in Reykjavik, 21-23 October 2005 calls on the Goverment of Iceland to produce the evidence on alleged responsibility of persons in Afghanistan for the terrorist acts of 11 September 2001, on which the Government based its support of the U.S. aggression and occupation of that country. The Congress urges the Parliamentary faction to act on this matter.

The Congress highlights that four years have passed since the commission of the terrorist acts of 11 September 2001, acts which shattered the world. These terrorists acts were crimes against humanity which were used by the governments of certain countries to initiate wars, increased surveillance of the population, to justify torture and greatly increase military expenditures.

The Congress wishes to convey its solidarity with the struggle of victims' families for the truth and supports the demand for an independent, international inquiry on these terrorist acts.

Adopted on 23 October 2005 by acclamation.
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Didga · 10-25-05, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

But the simple fact of the matter is that in a conspiracy on this grand of a scale that there is no way that everyone involved would be able to keep quite. Are you really suggesting that every member in congress is part of the conspiracy, that all the higher ups in the pentagon are part of the conspiracy, that if they are that there would not have been a leak, I think you give our government way to much credit my friend.

There are many leaks, from people resigning within the government structure to slip ups in the mainstream media. 911 is a conspiracy of grand scale and it requires a huge cover up and media filtering of grand proportion to pull it off. So lots of medium level figures have gone to media and come clean but their voices have been filtered out (Morgan Reynolds, Cynthia Mckinney, Michael Meacher etc.). If you are up high enough in the conspiratorial pyramid to be able to prove the entire 911 plot and wish to come clean you are liable to be alienated or not believed as the media will turn on you. Bit players only have pieces of the plot, would you come clean and say "I was the guy from the CIA special PSYOPS team that planted thermite explosives in the basement"? What would happen to you, would it ever make it to air? Or would you be arrested on national security reasons and held for as long as required? Gag orders apply for all government agencies involved in 911. Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md. can say that molten steel was found at the site of ground zero in American Free Press. Larry Silverstein and Dan Rather can slip up in the mainstream media, but you need a high level insider to come out and tell you on Fox. It is not going to happen, JKF just tried to change things away from conspiratorial control and he was assassinated. 911 is a conspiracy of grand scale, just like the JFK assassination. Who do you expect to tell you so?

Blah · 10-25-05, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

But the simple fact of the matter is that in a conspiracy on this grand of a scale that there is no way that everyone involved would be able to keep quite. Are you really suggesting that every member in congress is part of the conspiracy, that all the higher ups in the pentagon are part of the conspiracy, that if they are that there would not have been a leak, I think you give our government way to much credit my friend.

As many posters have said, the whole government was positively NOT in on 9/11. It was a select amount of people in the positions needed. Im sure the government had their way of keeping the secret. The absolute best way for you to understand how this could and did happen is by reading the pdf document for Operation Northwoods. Afterwords do a search for interviews. Many high government officials have never heard of Operation Northwoods, and many have continued to deny that it was ever written, even though the pdf is on the National Security Archive's website. (There is a .edu in the address)

People commit crimes all the time. You just have to look at 9/11 and simply say. "Who benefits?" Was it the terrorists? Or was it the government, stock holders, defense contractors, etc.

arussian · 10-25-05, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Here's another report for why the WTC really collapsed, It's got quotes from the engineer who built it so let's see how long it takes you to find out how the author is tied to the conspiracy:
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/AIBS_2002_wtc.pdf

Bwa-ha-ha! Mega-LOL !

“The exact mechanism that initiated failure is not known...” (Wilkinson,2006, p.4)
I wonder if one could put it better! How do you suppose, Trajan, should this guy say in official paper?

“Reader, freeze, stop any mental activity and don’t ask questions about possible explosives?”

He had expressed himself even elegantly, without obvious lie, with just a little omission of a slippery topic. It is perhaps even low than medium level of everyday hypocrisy.
I totally agree with him but with some specification: “The exact mechanism that could initiate failure without explosives is not known...”

oldreliable67 · 10-25-05, 05:33 PM

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a few hundred worldwide

And you think a 'few hundred' people can all keep this kind of secret? Nope. No way. Impossible. Totally wrong. It is hard enough to for 2 people to keep a secret, much less 'a few hundred'.

But, you know what? I really would like to see a truly independent investigation, one that would be so 'blue ribbon' that the results would be so definitive, so conclusive, so impossible-to-argue-with, so god-like that it would shut up one or the other of the parties to this debate. It can shut up either the conspiracy theorists or it can silence the there-was-no-conspiracy group. It doesn't matter which as long as the result leaves absolutely no room for argument afterwards.

Actually, to say that it doesn't matter which might be proven right is not true. I was there and survived and have made my observations known so you know where I personally stand. Moreover, I wonder about the motivations of some who continue to promote this conspiracy theory. For some, it appears to be nothing more, nothing less than pure naivete. For others, I don't know. It certainly doesn't appear to a search for 'truth, justice and the American way'.

And most of all, the implications for our country if the conspiracy theorists were proven true are beyond contemplation. Which also makes me wonder about the motivation of some.

Blah · 10-25-05, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oldreliable67

And you think a 'few hundred' people can all keep this kind of secret? Nope. No way. Impossible. Totally wrong. It is hard enough to for 2 people to keep a secret, much less 'a few hundred'.

But, you know what? I really would like to see a truly independent investigation, one that would be so 'blue ribbon' that the results would be so definitive, so conclusive, so impossible-to-argue-with, so god-like that it would shut up one or the other of the parties to this debate. It can shut up either the conspiracy theorists or it can silence the there-was-no-conspiracy group. It doesn't matter which as long as the result leaves absolutely no room for argument afterwards.

Actually, to say that it doesn't matter which might be proven right is not true. I was there and survived and have made my observations known so you know where I personally stand. Moreover, I wonder about the motivations of some who continue to promote this conspiracy theory. For some, it appears to be nothing more, nothing less than pure naivete. For others, I don't know. It certainly doesn't appear to a search for 'truth, justice and the American way'.

And most of all, the implications for our country if the conspiracy theorists were proven true are beyond contemplation. Which also makes me wonder about the motivation of some.

Yes their needs to be an open investigation. The 9/11 commission was denied alot of info that wouldve been necessary to really investigate what happened. Oldreliable, im starting to think its you that is naive. Just because you were there doesnt mean you know everything that happened. I dont know what happened either. But seriously look at the physics. The ****ing physics.

(Done talking directly to you)

Wait, I apologize. I forgot, on 9/11/01 the speed of free fall was temporarily altered. Yep, thats obviously PROOF that the governments theory is better. I mean they are SO smart that they can change the laws of physics! Yeah, I mean a 110 building, falling in a pancake style collapse, would have little or no resistance, right?

A plane flying into the pentagon leaves no damage around the hole where the passenger cabin went in. The government answers this question simply!

"Well....you see.....when the nose hit the building, the wings are SO smart that they fold up to resist impact, and then before the plane fully entered the building, the tail also ducked down, of course, to not further damage the building. The firemen did not report finding any major parts of the plane that day, or any black boxes. However, later on (weeks and months later) the firemen mysteriously remembered in second interviews seeing the plane. Maybe it just temporarily was invisible until after the first review. The planes these days can do that you know, because again, they are smart."

The lease owner ****ing admitted building 7 was pulled in a god damn PBS documentary. It was on TV. Yup. The thing is, if it was pulled, those explosives would have had to be put in BEFORE 9/11. Oh oh....not looking good.

In 1976 the military devised a plan to pull off the perfect terrorist attack. Sending hijackers on planes with box cutters and flying them into the world trade center. Weird, that sounds like something that happened in 2001. It was someone from the military who came forward, passed lie detector tests, and blew the whistle on this. I guess everyone cant keep secrets.

After losing a lawsuit to 9/11 families and the NY Times, New York city had to release videos of firefighters and policemen after 9/11. In many interviews the firemen and policemen reported "hearing or seeing explosions inside the WTC." Weird. They are ALL liars. **** THEM, right?

50% of New York city answered a poll stating they think the government knew about the attacks and let them happen. 43% of New York state had the same response. Its funny, its like the farther away you get from the tragedy, the less people care.

Top priority of the FBI after the pentagon was hit: Collect security video tapes from a local hotel and gas station. You know, for national security. Well everyone is so sure its a plane that flew into the pentagon, so why dont they release the ****ing video? Not like it matters anymore, they could do so much digital **** with it.

You know what. Let me just post the governments theory, tell me this isnt just as ****ing crazy.

US Government's theory: Pentagon anti missile barriers failed. Hijacking procedures failed. Total Defense failure. FBI closes many promising investigations. Memo titled "Bin laden determined to attack in the United States" ignored. Messages transmitted (and being listened to by government officials) warning of 9/11 on the days before 9/11, were not recieved until 9/12. 19 Hijackers from another country were able to completely undermine the US defense system, 4 hijackings went unintercepted with ample time between the crashes to prevent another disaster, the story on when intercepter jets left, where they left from, how fast they went, and why they didnt make it was changed, twice. The insider trading that occured the three days before 9/11 were coincedence. They were already planning to attack Afghanistan, but this was the icing on the cake. The first three steel buildings to ever fall, fell on the same day. One was not hit by a plane, they all fall at nearly free fall speed. However, they reportedly collapsed gradually.