Debate Politics Forums
Speak your voice
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > Debate Politics Forum > Archives

Archives Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass; http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...kennedy_senate We all know that desperate times demand desperate measures, and for Democrats ...

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-26-05, 08:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
Student
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Last Online: 02-02-08 05:43 AM
Posts: 175
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Lean:

Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...kennedy_senate

We all know that desperate times demand desperate measures, and for Democrats the immediate future potential of capturing power in Washington D.C. certainly qualifies. Yet, the true visionaries among us will implore that we always retain a long-term view and agenda. In that light, the Democratic Party needs to relinquish any desire to defeat Republican Lincoln Chafee of R.I. in the 2006 election season. As a party, we should not support any major opposition because ultimately it would be counterproductive.

First, what would the issues be? On every major issue facing this country, and Rhode Island in particular, Senator Chafee votes the same way a Democrat would. Not only that, he votes as a left-wing Democrat would on the very important issues. He's not even a reliable procedural vote for the Republicans when it matters. He is their Zell Miller, albeit with a smile and nice deameanor.

He refused to vote for the President's re-election. Everyone knows if the Senate was truly 50-50, he'd switch to independent and caucus with the Democrats.

We should be loyal to someone, who has been loyal to us.

Where the Senators from Maine, often talk moderate and liberal on many issues; A quick check of the Roll Call often shows they are very often voting to support their party's position when it really matters.

Lincoln Chafee has supported Democratic positions when he could have easily went along to get along with the Republican majority.

We as Democrats should encourage a liberal wing of the Republican Party. Just as we should encourage a right-wing in our own party. At the end of the day, its' about who controls the agenda, and which coalition has the votes to win.

The best and most forthright way of doing that is to not challenge members of the other party who are doing a great job.

President George Bush had this same decision in 2002. There were many Democrats who worked with him on key issues, yet he used his power to defeat them. Republicans, I'm sure were delighted: They won policy battles with these democrats' support, and still banished them in the next election cycle. Worse, many of the races were bitter, and the voting records were distorted to make moderate Democrats appear as extreme left-wingers.

The end result is that President Bush has alienated a potential swing vote in the Democratic fold, and lost the ability to govern on many issues.

As Democrats plot a path back to power, it is important we remember who our friends are.

Lincoln Chafee deserves re-election. With our help.

Craig Farmer

making the word "liberal" safe again!
craigfarmer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Inline Ads
Old 03-26-05, 04:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
Look at my Pimp Cane!!

 
ShamMol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 03-13-07 09:49 PM
Location: Pasadena, California
Posts: 2,005
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to ShamMol

Current Mood:
Cool
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

You speak some truth there, but I think the Democrats feel the need to pick up all the seats possible, so there could be that little factor there...
__________________
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8875/liberal3fw.jpg


There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America. -Pres. Clinton

A Populist Liberal? Go figure.
ShamMol is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-26-05, 04:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
Judicial Apologist
Mod team member
 
RightinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Last Online: 11-29-08 10:15 PM
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 13,647
Thanks: 984
Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,535 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Approved
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

I agree - people from both sides get too hung up in their attempts to make every member of their party as far to their left or right as they can.

Senators like McCain, Specter, or Lieberman are often the most effective and important.

Moderates are always necessary, if only to keep the transition of power every 4 (or 8) years from being too drastic.
RightinNYC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 01:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
Look at my Pimp Cane!!

 
ShamMol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 03-13-07 09:49 PM
Location: Pasadena, California
Posts: 2,005
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to ShamMol

Current Mood:
Cool
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by RightatNYU
I agree - people from both sides get too hung up in their attempts to make every member of their party as far to their left or right as they can.

Senators like McCain, Specter, or Lieberman are often the most effective and important.

Moderates are always necessary, if only to keep the transition of power every 4 (or 8) years from being too drastic.
Unforntutely Lieberman really isn't a good example of someone who is even a member of his party...he never, and I mean, never votes with the Democrats when it matters...
ShamMol is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 01:37 AM   #5 (permalink)
Judicial Apologist
Mod team member
 
RightinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Last Online: 11-29-08 10:15 PM
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 13,647
Thanks: 984
Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,535 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Approved
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShamMol
Unforntutely Lieberman really isn't a good example of someone who is even a member of his party...he never, and I mean, never votes with the Democrats when it matters...
And neither does Specter really, but they're both good politicians. If you want to vote for another Democrat to beat him in a primary, fine. I just hear a lot of talk from the left about how the right is becoming increasingly right-wing and stifling moderates, and then I see things like this happening to people like Lieberman.
RightinNYC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 02:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
Look at my Pimp Cane!!

 
ShamMol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 03-13-07 09:49 PM
Location: Pasadena, California
Posts: 2,005
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to ShamMol

Current Mood:
Cool
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by RightatNYU
And neither does Specter really, but they're both good politicians. If you want to vote for another Democrat to beat him in a primary, fine. I just hear a lot of talk from the left about how the right is becoming increasingly right-wing and stifling moderates, and then I see things like this happening to people like Lieberman.
specter and lieberman are examples of people who have strayed from their parties, true, but specter has been reigned in.

Everyone is becoming more right-wing to get elected by the social conservatives dammit...which sucks for america to be honest. there will be no balance if that happens..
ShamMol is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 02:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
Judicial Apologist
Mod team member
 
RightinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Last Online: 11-29-08 10:15 PM
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 13,647
Thanks: 984
Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,535 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Approved
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

So you're saying that politicians are shifting toward the right wing so that they can more accurately reflect the will of their constituents? And that's a bad thing?

Maybe instead of balance being removed, a previous imbalance is being rectified...
RightinNYC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 03:00 AM   #8 (permalink)
Look at my Pimp Cane!!

 
ShamMol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 03-13-07 09:49 PM
Location: Pasadena, California
Posts: 2,005
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to ShamMol

Current Mood:
Cool
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by RightatNYU
So you're saying that politicians are shifting toward the right wing so that they can more accurately reflect the will of their constituents? And that's a bad thing?

Maybe instead of balance being removed, a previous imbalance is being rectified...
nope, not what i was saying at all. i am saying that they think that is their base and they are moving that way. if they were accurately reflecting the population (well, in the south and midwest its fine...) then i would have no problem with it.

there used to be a balance that has just errodded since 2001
ShamMol is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 03:13 AM   #9 (permalink)
Judicial Apologist
Mod team member
 
RightinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Last Online: 11-29-08 10:15 PM
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 13,647
Thanks: 984
Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,535 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male

Awards:
Moderation Team:  Thank you!! 

Current Mood:
Approved
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShamMol
nope, not what i was saying at all. i am saying that they think that is their base and they are moving that way. if they were accurately reflecting the population (well, in the south and midwest its fine...) then i would have no problem with it.

there used to be a balance that has just errodded since 2001
How can you say that they're not moving to reflect their constituents? Why would these politicians move away from their base? There is no evidence to support this theroy.

Maybe the country has grown slightly more conservative, and the "shift" of Congress, if you can call it that, is a reflection of that.
RightinNYC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
Old 03-27-05, 03:21 AM   #10 (permalink)
Look at my Pimp Cane!!

 
ShamMol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Last Online: 03-13-07 09:49 PM
Location: Pasadena, California
Posts: 2,005
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male
Send a message via AIM to ShamMol

Current Mood:
Cool
Re: Democrats: Lincoln Chafee deserves a free pass

Quote:
Originally Posted by RightatNYU
How can you say that they're not moving to reflect their constituents? Why would these politicians move away from their base? There is no evidence to support this theroy.

Maybe the country has grown slightly more conservative, and the "shift" of Congress, if you can call it that, is a reflection of that.
there is no evidence to support your theory as well
ShamMol is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Spurl this Post!
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Navigation
Home Main
spacer Home
spacer Newsroom
spacer Resources
spacer FAQ
spacer Chatroom

Extras Extras
spacer DP Store
spacer Statistics
spacer Worldmap
spacer Gallery
spacer Link to us

 Advertise Here!

Random Pic
by Billo_Really
· · ·
Bush Bashin'
34 photos
15 comments



Debate Politics XML Feed

Add to my Yahoo!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:25 AM.

Partners with: Computer repair || Irrationally Informed

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2008
SEO by vBSEO