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France shows the world again they care more about the money than
human freedom and liberty. May as well make it easier for China to
Take control of Taiwan. Way to go France!


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Dennis Miller

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I believe China to be the next big thing. And that is a very frightening thought, considering the political attitude their nation's government currently has, and has had for a long time. China, for many years, has been a communist nation, and now it's only about to become worse. What is more horrible than a communist country which puts fear into the hearts of many of it's own citizens, and who has a lengthy list of serious human rights issues? Well, all that, and now a quickly strengthening economy. Not to mention, they now have France, of all countries, backing them up. And I believe we all know that when one EU nation makes a serious decision, the rest will likely follow closely behind. That could very well spell trouble for the rest of the world, or at least for anyone who tries to step in China's way. I don't agree with a lot of what Bush has done in the past term or so, but I do agree with him stepping up against the EU's decisions on this particular issue. This should be something that he seeks backing for. He will need all the backing he can get from other nations if he plans to go up against the EU on this.

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GarzaUK

It is called the balance of power, Europe doesn't one nation to have absolute power over the world - it's dangerous.

Absolute power corrupts absolutly. Barely a decade past the Cold War, American Government has started to corrupt its traditional policies, eg unilaterlism, ignorance of international law.

Don't feel too bad, Britain began as and Empire of Liberty and Trade which turned into an Empire of Slavery and Oppression, because of absolute Power.
The Roman Empire began as a Republic ruled my elected officials, absolute power corrupted it into an Empire run by a sole person.

Squawker, why Bush is worried is not because of liberty and human freedom (this words are banded about too often nowadays as a cover), it's about America's balance of power in Asia.
Maybe it's about time the playing field was leveled abit.

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Arch Enemy

Though France at times isn't my favorite countries I think this may actually be a good idea.

This gives China the idea that people are actually respecting them, having trade embargoes on the best military country isn't such a good idea. China isn't stupid, they wouldn't dare contradict the wishes of the UN.. unlike some thick-headed Presidents of the US.
China's economy is beginning to boom and we need to be more accepting of China then we have been in the past. Yes, it is true, in a few short years China will be the dominant super-power of the world.. but so what? They were able to grow even without the full support of the US or Europe, time for China to pull up a chair.

Fried Rice

Arms trade is only one means of doing business. We have survived this long without your weapins etc so it really is not as if we are desperate to receive. Merely, it is just another product for us to buy / sell. Govts enjoy arms sales as they give very high margin and there is some back and forth on technology etc. France is very forward thinking country and realise the importance of building positive relations with my country. Even with these arms, we are a peaceful nation unlike USA aggreesor.

Dear Urethra - if you are read this, i have some indirect link to this deal and will travel to France (Paris) soon. Hope you can introduce me to some handsome Frenchmen ops:

Fried Rice

I am glad you have the intelligence to realise that China is the 'next big thing', but i am sad to see that the rest of your post is to good for garbage bin

Arch Enemy

Fried that wasn't needed.

You're not a peaceful nation when you double your military when you've already said that you were going to reduce your military. You're not a peaceful nation when you threaten to attack another (unofficial) nation. Peaceful nations don't exist.. the only peaceful nation is Sweden, haven't had a war in god knows how long.

jkyi85

just something i want to throw out...
we all know that china is stepping up in it role economically, politically...etc on both the national and international scene.

its easy for us to say that it'll replace the role of the US, but i highly doubt that being possible...but just hypothetically, would the rest of the world sleep better with China as a superpower or the USA?

jay123

Personally, I would prefer China to the USA - and I think it's inevitable. China's developed in leaps-and-bounds since the Communist victory in the 1940/50's (can't remember the exact decade, but around then), going from a backwards peasent land to (in the next 20 years some say) overtaking the globes only lasting superpower in both militry and economic terms.
People have been saying that this is unlikely, but why should it be? Manufacturing is moving to the Asian Pacific, which will, in time, remove the base-level of USA industry, as has occured in much of Western Europe. China also has 1/5 of the world's population in it's borders, so it can afford to develop so rapidly and efficiently, something that took the western world hundreds of years.
And concerning the issue of China's human rights troubles - which nation hasn't broken human rights laws when it didn't suit them? The USA has been braking them in Guantanamo Bay recently, it broke them in Vietnamn 25 years ago - many Western European countries arrest and imprison political adverseries without trial (Spain arresting Anarchistic-Communists under anti-terror legislation, etc). Anyone thinking, "what about Tienneman Square?", well the American Army fired upon and killed peaceful student protestors in the 1960's, the British Government killed miners in the 1980's miners strikes. EVERYBODY DOES IT.
The only reason China is highlighted by the world press is that the world press are controlled by the USA, and the USA feels threatened by the advancement of a Communist country - one that could become far superior in all ways to it.

Anyway, the main point of this thread is that France is removing arms embargos from China. So what? The only reason the USA and it's satellite supporters instated that embargo is because they felt threatened by Communist China's military power. At the end of the day, why should France do what the USA wants it to? They want to capitalise on China's needs, why are Americans in any way so morally superiour that they can say that isn't the way to do things?

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