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PoS said:
Perhaps its because more people use MS as opposed to their competitors which is why they talk about it more?
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Err no, that does not compute at all. The most talked about devices come from Apple and they are dwarfed by their competitors in pretty much every product range. In fact the one product range where they are top dog (iPod), no one talks about it because it is an outdated bull**** product.

And this is negative talk, not positive. There has been very positive reviews of Windows 10 and people have been loving it.. and then this story starts out on a Reddit thread of all places and without any real digging into the facts, the media start hounding Microsoft on the issue.. like they have just been waiting to do so and been holding their nose to praise Windows 10.

Facts are out there, Windows 7 did the exact same thing as Windows 10. They added stuff in Windows 10 yes, but that is because it is a mobile operating system now, not just an operating system. The EULA has to cover everything, not to mention because Windows has become a service, then they need information to keep that service running.. more than before. There is nothing nefarious about it, but the media have made mountain out of a tiny ant hill so to say.
 
Ockham said:
Well in Windows 10 it's in the EULA. It's in the video's I actually posted as well - the extent to which the data collection is occurring as well as the steps needed to turn most of it off. Therefore, the argument that they've always done it seems weak... People can certainly do what they want and if they're okay with it, by all means, use Windows 10 and allow all the key stroke information to go to them. I'm just in favor of getting information to people so they know what they're using and how it may affect them. That seems reasonable don't you think?
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And how exactly will it "affect" them? Nothing has changed other than Windows has become even more stable and usable. Yes it has added features that move it towards into a mobile operating system, which means a mobile operating systems EULA. You bitching over Andorid and iOS that have the exact same EULA in many ways? Hell even OSX has a similar EULA and collects data like mad for Apple.. with and without permission. There are back doors in iOS and OSX, but no bitching about that eh?
 
Redress said:
Gosh darn people being against spyware, how dare they!
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Spyware.. well that is a harsh assessment. By your definition any operating system is spyware, because they all send back service information, user information and so on. Any app or program that connects to the internet to check on licenses and updates is by that definition spyware.
 
Mycroft said:
I agree with you, Pete.

You know, all those people who use Chrome and all of the cool things it'll do with syncing with their android devices probably don't realize that Google is collecting massive amounts of data from all those users. But it's no big deal to them because it's not that mean and nasty Microsoft.
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Or when Apple does it with their iCloud crap. It has been going on for half a decade basically and now all of a sudden it is a big issue?

Chromebooks.. very very popular in the US I hear.. I believe a few have it on these boards.. that sends a **** ton of information to Google and others.

If you want privacy.. take your computer (any OS) off the internet.. then you have privacy. Else grow a pair.
 
PeteEU said:
Spyware.. well that is a harsh assessment. By your definition any operating system is spyware, because they all send back service information, user information and so on. Any app or program that connects to the internet to check on licenses and updates is by that definition spyware.
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Heck, it could be said that the http that people use to interact online is spyware because it collects information from your computer and sends it to the site you are accessing and those sites are certainly logging your activity, as is your Internet Provider.
 
Mycroft said:
Heck, it could be said that the http that people use to interact online is spyware because it collects information from your computer and sends it to the site you are accessing and those sites are certainly logging your activity, as is your Internet Provider.
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These boards are spyware.. they collect personal information and use it in banning people.. IP addresses.
 
PeteEU said:
And how exactly will it "affect" them? Nothing has changed other than Windows has become even more stable and usable.
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It may affect them in various ways.... it may affect them because Microsoft refers what they've typed to the police, it may affect them in that what they type, what websites they choose to visit, or what applications they use may be databased and used for not only marketing, but may affect their credit rating.

Windows has become even more stable and usable using what standard? Quantify and qualify that BS. I have no problem with you being a MS fanboi but nonsensical statements are boring and easily outed.


PeteEU said:
Yes it has added features that move it towards into a mobile operating system, which means a mobile operating systems EULA.
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And tracking what you do, what you type, is a "feature" is it? I guess you'd see any level of intrusive behavior by large tech corporations as a beneficial "feature" - whereas I do not.



PeteEU said:
You bitching over Andorid and iOS that have the exact same EULA in many ways?
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You'll need to prove that Android and iOS have the same exact EULA first.... please post it in a side by side comparison to show how it's the "exact same EULA". :lamo


PeteEU said:
Hell even OSX has a similar EULA and collects data like mad for Apple.. with and without permission. There are back doors in iOS and OSX, but no bitching about that eh?
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So again, the weak sauce... iOS does it defense, so it's okay. How much harder can your argument fail.... please continue, I'm not curious.
 
Ockham said:
It may affect them in various ways.... it may affect them because Microsoft refers what they've typed to the police, it may affect them in that what they type, what websites they choose to visit, or what applications they use may be databased and used for not only marketing, but may affect their credit rating.
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Going to a website may effect any of that.

Windows has become even more stable and usable using what standard? Quantify and qualify that BS. I have no problem with you being a MS fanboi but nonsensical statements are boring and easily outed.
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Well everyone seems to think that XP was some sort of standard.. at least when it came to the start button!

You'll need to prove that Android and iOS have the same exact EULA first.... please post it in a side by side comparison to show how it's the "exact same EULA". :lamo
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LOL the exact same EULA? No EULAs are the same and you know that. It is the meaning of said EULA that is the important part.

So again, the weak sauce... iOS does it defense, so it's okay. How much harder can your argument fail.... please continue, I'm not curious.
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The weak sauce is going after Microsoft for things that other companies have been doing for ages. Are you seriously telling me that iOS/OSX does not send back information about the user to Apple at all?
 
PeteEU said:
The weak sauce is going after Microsoft for things that other companies have been doing for ages. Are you seriously telling me that iOS/OSX does not send back information about the user to Apple at all?
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The weak sauce is excusing Microsoft for spying on their consumers because other companies do it too.
 
Henrin said:
The weak sauce is excusing Microsoft for spying on their consumers because other companies do it too.
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I think the weak sauce is being surprised, outraged, etc, that MS is doing this. I mean, seriously, consumers have been spied upon for decades by everyone from your local convenience store with their loyalty cards to the federal government with their data mining.

Why should MS be held to a higher standard than the standard you apply to your government?
 
Mycroft said:
I think the weak sauce is being surprised, outraged, etc, that MS is doing this. I mean, seriously, consumers have been spied upon for decades by everyone from your local convenience store with their loyalty cards to the federal government with their data mining.

Why should MS be held to a higher standard than the standard you apply to your government?
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I'm against all of the above. :shrug: I just see no reason to let Microsoft off for spying because other people are doing it.
 
Henrin said:
I'm against all of the above. :shrug: I just see no reason to let Microsoft off for spying because other people are doing it.
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No one is "letting Microsoft" off.. but you and others who are outraged over this, are letting pretty much everyone else off for doing exactly the same for decades. Why no outrage over Walmart datamining your shopping habits? Or Bank of America using your CC buys to determine if you can keep your mortgage? Or companies using private medical information to determine if you get a job or insurance or what ever.. why no outrage over that on the same scale as what is happening to Microsoft atm?

I know I keep bringing it up but it is totally relevant. Apple. Apple registers EVERYTHING you do... ever heard of iBeacon? Go read up on that, and I ask you.. were was the outrage over Apple using this on their devices and selling it to others too!? no where.
 
PeteEU said:
These boards are spyware.. they collect personal information and use it in banning people.. IP addresses.
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You know that going in and agree to it.
 
clownboy said:
You know that going in and agree to it.
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Oh you do? Where? Can I be sure the board owner does not sell the personal information on these boards? See what I did there? :)
 
PeteEU said:
Going to a website may effect any of that.
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As would using Windows 10, however, Windows 10 has a variable plethora of things it's collecting... over a dozen at last count.

PeteEU said:
LOL the exact same EULA? No EULAs are the same and you know that.
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I'm using your words.... that's what you said.

PeteEU said:
The weak sauce is going after Microsoft for things that other companies have been doing for ages. Are you seriously telling me that iOS/OSX does not send back information about the user to Apple at all?
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It's totally legit to go after over a dozen areas where MS is now recording, down to the key stroke level, what people do using their O/S, and the funny part, many PAY to give this information to MS.

The weak sauce is your continued use of "Well iOS does it..." defense. I'm embarrassed for you because you keep saying and using that like it's credible and it's not in any way shape or form credible.
 
PeteEU said:
~ I know I keep bringing it up but it is totally relevant. Apple. Apple registers EVERYTHING you do... ever heard of iBeacon? Go read up on that, and I ask you.. were was the outrage over Apple using this on their devices and selling it to others too!? no where.
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I'm familiar with iBeacon but it seems you are over-egging your case. Focus on Windows 10 please.
 
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