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Steam Machine Advice

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Historically, I've always been a console gamer. However, I'm nonplussed by the current generation of consoles, and am interested in finally making the crossover to an actual gaming pc.

Unfortunately, as I have very little experience in this area, I'm unsure of what to do, and am kind of bewildered by the range of options. I'm unsure of whether to buy one of the low-to-middling priced 'steam machines', or to buy the parts and build my own, etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

(Incidentally, my max budget for this project is about $800.)

Any suggestions?
 
Historically, I've always been a console gamer. However, I'm nonplussed by the current generation of consoles, and am interested in finally making the crossover to an actual gaming pc.

Unfortunately, as I have very little experience in this area, I'm unsure of what to do, and am kind of bewildered by the range of options. I'm unsure of whether to buy one of the low-to-middling priced 'steam machines', or to buy the parts and build my own, etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

(Incidentally, my max budget for this project is about $800.)

Any suggestions?

You'll end up saving more money if you buy parts and put something together yourself. I just ordered a bunch of parts for my first desktop. This site is particularly helpful
 
I always build my own, not hard, just get processor, mother board, memory, a fast video card and a case. Add monitor, keyboard, mouse. Install windows..easy squeezy.
 
subreddit:buildapcforme

Submit a request with budget, games you want to play, etc and they will do the work of compiling parts and recommend a system for you.

And there's plenty of youtube videos showing how to do the physical assembly.
 
If you have an adequate PC already it's possible you can upgrade certain components.

But it depends on what you want to play. I have a run of the mill storebought HP that isn't all that wow but it has no problem handling my glut of PC games - I am not a console gamer. Of course, I bought it knowing what demands I'd put on it when it came to gaming.

Sometimes it depends on the gaming engine (which is why researching for your specific games is the advice given in previous posts) - some gaming engines are more adequate than others with how they're constructed and programmed. Unreal, for me, has always run fluidly and smoothly even on older more antiquated machines. In this day and age things are a slight bit more universal. In the past some games just would not run with certain components no matter what - there was just a line you had to learn about and not buy things that crossed that line. Today, not so much.
 
Historically, I've always been a console gamer. However, I'm nonplussed by the current generation of consoles, and am interested in finally making the crossover to an actual gaming pc.

Unfortunately, as I have very little experience in this area, I'm unsure of what to do, and am kind of bewildered by the range of options. I'm unsure of whether to buy one of the low-to-middling priced 'steam machines', or to buy the parts and build my own, etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

(Incidentally, my max budget for this project is about $800.)

Any suggestions?

First of all, let me welcome you to the "light side" of gaming. ;)

One note of caution about those "steam machines": Some of them run Linux...not an MS OS.

I'm thinking you want a PC that you can set up near your TV in your living room. I don't use consoles, but it's my understanding that's how they are generally set up. If so, then you won't be looking for a desktop-type system. You should be directing your research toward small form factor (SFF) builds. They won't dominate your TV area like the bigger cases will. Those steam machines are included in this category, but there are a lot of variations besides those. You can even build your own SFF system.

If you are comfortable building your own, that is the route I would suggest. In my opinion, it's a very easy thing to do and it'll save all that labor cost, but I recognize that others might not think it's so easy or might be held back from fear of doing something new. Decide what's best for you. If you decide to build your own, pcpartpicker is a good place to get the ball rolling. If you don't want to build it yourself...but want to have the ability to pick and choose parts...then a place like cyberpowerpc would be worth a look.

But...as others have said...you should decide what you want the computer to do and then build/buy accordingly. What games do you want to play...what are their system requirements...do you want all the graphical bells and whistles PLUS awesome framerates...what graphics level will satisfy you?

Without knowing the answers to those kinds of questions, I can give you this advice:

1. CPU. Don't get anything less than a quad-core processor. Dual-cores just don't get it nowadays. My preference is Intel...Core i5 or better.

2. RAM. Minimum 4GB's. More, if you can swing it. DDR3...don't worry about DDR4 right now.

3. GPU. I don't know much about AMD, but whether you choose AMD or Nvidia, look for the sweet-spot. The best graphics for the lowest price. Right now, Nvidia's sweet spot is the GTX 960...awesome graphics for around $200. But don't overlook older, cheaper cards...they may suit your needs and be cheaper still. Oh...and make sure the card will FIT in the case you select.

4. OS. If you build or buy your rig before September or October, get Win7 or Win8.1...whichever you can find for the cheapest price...that way you'll get the free upgrade to Win10.

5. Storage. SSD's are really nice, but in my opinion not necessary. Get at least one 1TB hard drive even if you do get an SSD.


That's about all I have for you right now, except one last bit of advice: Research! The fact that you started this thread indicates you lean that way...that's good. The worst thing you can do is just lay down your money for something you don't know anything about.
 
Don't skimp on the power supply.

All the best components in the world are useless if you can't get enough wattage to them.

eXtreme Power Supply Calculator - The most trusted PSU Wattage Calculator

5. Storage. SSD's are really nice, but in my opinion not necessary. Get at least one 1TB hard drive even if you do get an SSD.


Also I dsiagree with this. UPgrading to an SSD is about the best performance increasing change you can make to any computer. Even if you can't afford a large one, get a small SSD to install the OS on, then a larger spinning disk for media.
 
The Steam Machines are a bad deal, IMO. They won't be able to run EA games, and now I think Ubisoft games, not sure though, and you're paying for stuff that isn't much better than the PS4 and Xbox1. Building your own, or getting someone to build it for you, is the way to go, IMO.
 
Don't skimp on the power supply.

All the best components in the world are useless if you can't get enough wattage to them.

eXtreme Power Supply Calculator - The most trusted PSU Wattage Calculator




Also I dsiagree with this. UPgrading to an SSD is about the best performance increasing change you can make to any computer. Even if you can't afford a large one, get a small SSD to install the OS on, then a larger spinning disk for media.

I didn't mention the PSU because, even though they are important, I don't think the OP will be loading his $800 computer with a lot of power-sucking hardware. But sure, he'll want to get one that can handle what he DOES install in his box.

Like I said...SSD's are nice, but when constrained by cash, I'd recommend dumping the SSD and putting the money into a graphics card. The games will still work without the SSD.
 
My dream cases are these

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one can only dream!
 
Don't skimp on the power supply.

All the best components in the world are useless if you can't get enough wattage to them.

eXtreme Power Supply Calculator - The most trusted PSU Wattage Calculator




Also I dsiagree with this. UPgrading to an SSD is about the best performance increasing change you can make to any computer. Even if you can't afford a large one, get a small SSD to install the OS on, then a larger spinning disk for media.

Additionally, the PSU is the only part of your computer that can take the entire machine with it when it fails. Don't buy cheap Garbage PSUs!
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice. After doing some research, I've come up with a preliminary part list;

CPU: Intel i5-4670k
GPU: GTX 970
Mobo: Asus Z87 Pro ATX LG 1150
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x 4GB)
HD: Barracuda 2TB HD
PS: Corsair 700 Semi-Modular
Optical Drive: Asus Read/Write Cd/Dvd Drive
OS: Windows 7 Premium
Case: Deepcool Tesseract Mid Tower

Well, what do you guys think?
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice. After doing some research, I've come up with a preliminary part list;

CPU: Intel i5-4670k
GPU: GTX 970
Mobo: Asus Z87 Pro ATX LG 1150
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x 4GB)
HD: Barracuda 2TB HD
PS: Corsair 700 Semi-Modular
Optical Drive: Asus Read/Write Cd/Dvd Drive
OS: Windows 7 Premium
Case: Deepcool Tesseract Mid Tower

Well, what do you guys think?

Will be a solid machine. Will handle anything you want at 1080p.

I'd recommend a Samsung 840evo SSD to act as the "gaming" drive and to house the operating system. SSDs are the single biggest game-changer for every day computing experience. You wont get more FPS out of your games, but loading times will drop a ton and everything else you do on your computer will feel far, far smoother. The 250gb version is ~$150 right now.

Other SSDs may be cheaper, but the 840 evo is hard to beat in terms of performance, value, and reliability. (but be sure to check out the performance degredation bug, a flaw that causes the 840 evo to slow down over time. a firmware update tool exists to fix it.) Intel also makes great SSDs. I recommend against OCZ, they're the cheapest out there for a reason. They cut too many corners in the name of performance and end up with drives with unacceptably high failure rates.

I recommend against Crucial on principle, for straight-up lying to consumers about a non-existent data protection feature.

If you need to shave a few bucks off to squeeze in the SSD, you can probably downgrade the HDD to 1TB if that still fits your needs, and also downgrade the PSU to a lower-wattage model. The GTX 970 is freakishly efficient, only having a TDP of 150 watts. I have two of them running in SLI on a 650 watt PSU. 500 or 550 should suit your needs, unless you plan to upgrade to SLI some day.
 
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Thanks to everyone for the advice. After doing some research, I've come up with a preliminary part list;

CPU: Intel i5-4670k
GPU: GTX 970
Mobo: Asus Z87 Pro ATX LG 1150
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x 4GB)
HD: Barracuda 2TB HD
PS: Corsair 700 Semi-Modular
Optical Drive: Asus Read/Write Cd/Dvd Drive
OS: Windows 7 Premium
Case: Deepcool Tesseract Mid Tower

Well, what do you guys think?
I have that case and I wish I had spent a little more on a better one. I have to second what Deuce said about an SSD its really nice having your computer start up and open programs in a snap
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice. After doing some research, I've come up with a preliminary part list;

CPU: Intel i5-4670k
GPU: GTX 970
Mobo: Asus Z87 Pro ATX LG 1150
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2x 4GB)
HD: Barracuda 2TB HD
PS: Corsair 700 Semi-Modular
Optical Drive: Asus Read/Write Cd/Dvd Drive
OS: Windows 7 Premium
Case: Deepcool Tesseract Mid Tower

Well, what do you guys think?

Without looking up all the parts, I'd say you did good.

The CPU is unlocked, meaning you can overclock it. Just be careful about heat.

ASUS makes high quality MB's, though I don't know the specs on this one.

8GB's RAM...that'll work.

Good PSU...can't go wrong with Corsair.

GTX 970...pretty much the current sweet-spot for Nvidia graphics.

What's the total cost?
 
Without looking up all the parts, I'd say you did good.

The CPU is unlocked, meaning you can overclock it. Just be careful about heat.

ASUS makes high quality MB's, though I don't know the specs on this one.

8GB's RAM...that'll work.

Good PSU...can't go wrong with Corsair.

GTX 970...pretty much the current sweet-spot for Nvidia graphics.

What's the total cost?

I did a little research.

It's about $1100.00 for the parts. I was thinking about using one of the builder sites like IBUYPOWER, or Cyberpower, but I've read a ton of horror stories about customer service. I don't want to spend what us, on my budget, an astronomical amount of money for a computer that might work that I have to ship to god knows where to maybe get it fixed. Microcenter will build a pc, but the closest one is a bit of a hike, and they charge $130 for the build. I will probably go that route, though. I know people always say build it, but that's easy to say when you actually have the knowledge and experience, and aren't financially liable if something goes wrong. I have looked at guides on how to build a pc, and I'm really not enthusiastic about attempting it by myself.
 
I did a little research.

It's about $1100.00 for the parts. I was thinking about using one of the builder sites like IBUYPOWER, or Cyberpower, but I've read a ton of horror stories about customer service. I don't want to spend what us, on my budget, an astronomical amount of money for a computer that might work that I have to ship to god knows where to maybe get it fixed. Microcenter will build a pc, but the closest one is a bit of a hike, and they charge $130 for the build. I will probably go that route, though. I know people always say build it, but that's easy to say when you actually have the knowledge and experience, and aren't financially liable if something goes wrong. I have looked at guides on how to build a pc, and I'm really not enthusiastic about attempting it by myself.

Everyone feels that way their first time. :)
 
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