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iPhone 6 wish list

I think they've screwed themselves with their lawsuits. Now, they have to be 100% unique and innovative or Samsung, Kyocera, and others are gonna have their lawyers on speed dial for a chance at throwing Apple's tactics back in their faces.
 
I remember a family member did an iPhone 4 OS upgrade and accidentally discover Siri. By the next upgrade it was gone.

I have 2 family members with Samsung Galaxies who've let me goof around with their phones and I do like the iPhone's user friendliness and graphics quality better. Lets see if the iPhone 6 offers a larger screen and other improvements. Anybody know of what for sure upgrades are coming with the iPhone 6?

Wait a month or two and then Apple will have leaked all the new features before hand.. that has been what they have done the last 2+ years.
 
If you look at the difference between say an iPhone 4 and 4s ... a better processor in the 4s and Siri... that is it. Battery time was about the same, screen the same, no 4G still. Also there is no Siri on the 4 because Apple does not allow it.. it can run just fine on the iPhone 4.

Also a significantly improved camera on the front and back, facetime over celullar, and HSPA+ on AT&T's network and an actual "World phone".

About on par with the previous "S" iteration and likely similar to what we'll see this year with the 5S.

Though again, all the talk of specs is basically wonderful geek talk to hopefully make themselves look good to people that don't know better. The same was done (and I was right there doing it) back in the days of early smart phones and their PDA forefathers as well as the PC realm. The reality is that comparing flat processor speed or RAM information between two devices running entirely different operating systems is a bit like comparing lemons to oranges. They're both tropical fruit, they have similarities, but they are still rather different. An old Palm Vx ran a 20 MHz processor compared to a Compaq iPAQ's 206 HMz StrongArm chip...and yet for the vast majority of things people did on their PDA's, the Palm was as fast if not faster than the Compaq because the OS was optimized in a way that it didn't need a faster processor. Specs don't tell nearly the whole story, but they are wonderful for giving tech nerds (a group I readily admit I'm part of) a chubby and a way to sound so much superior to those outside of the know.

The reality is that even if the iPhone 5s "sounds like a 2 year old android phone", it's still going to likely run any similar program and any task as smooth and efficently, if not more so, than whatever the cutting edge android phone is that comes out during that year. Because while they're both smart phones, the reality is they are both very different animals in terms of what's running on top of all that hardware.
 
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Realistic wish list based on understanding of the apple upgrade cycle, along with a few reaches

1. Increase in the processor speed and RAM
2. Some improvement to the camera
3. Additional Siri API's and improvements
4. Updates to the Map application
5. iOS 7 which ends up being a signifiant paint job change on a lot of the built in apps
6. Usability updates to the notification area.

Realistic, and pretty standard. However on the ram issue, I dont think it will be with the 5s. Apple has never upgraded their amount of ram that quickly ever. Plus more ram means more money to companies that they dont like.

POSSIBLE reaches...

1. Multiple iPhones launched A cheaper model of lower end material for developing countries. A scaled up one that utilizes a similar aspect ratio to other devices already in their lineup, to provide a "large screen phone".

Has been a big rumor fueled by analysts mostly. The problem with a cheaper phone is that they would damage the brand. And after all the "cheaper" phone is usually last years model. What they might do is lower the price or provide financing. In China they have started a financing service so people can buy their products on credit and pay per month for x number of months. It boggles the mind that the 4S still costs 569 euros and the 4 389 euros.. they are so outdated and cant even run iOS 6 correctly.

2. NFC addition. Not likely, but IF it's added I see Apple creating their own custom wallet application along side it.

I doubt they will add NFC. Apple and Jobs have never been a fan of NFC because it was in their words too slow. Plus they already have a wallet application and is not exactly a major hit. They might bring out some propitiatory system that they only use... like the lighting port on their Macs.. expensive and not compatible with anything.

3. Probably "adopting"/"stealing" some jailbroken apps method of toggling radios without going into the settings. Probably in the notification area. Similarly possibly looking at stealing some ideas for improving multitasking slightly.

Yea this is realistic. Just watch which types of apps get banned from the app store and you pretty much know what Apple have stolen of ideas.

The bigger thing will be that it'll push the 4s into the "free" category, making Siri even more ubiquitous.

Only in selected markets and with selected telecoms.. the 4s is still over 100 euros more expensive than the Galaxy S3.. in fact I can get an S3 contract free for 409 euros and the iPhone 4s costs 569 from Apple.

This could have problematic consequences as you flood potentially even more users onto a Siri system that has its hicups at times and is still clearly a work in progress. I think Siri's gotta take some leaps this year or else its going to be problematic.

Siri blows donkey balls.. it has not evolved one bit since it came out with the 4s, where as Android versions have not only passed Siri but made massive leaps ahead. Have you seen how slow Siri is compared to the Android apps that do the same? I have one called Android Assistant and it can open any app on my phone... Siri cant last I played with it.. only Apple and approved apps.

They can stay in their holding pattern this year but I think if they don't do something significantly innovative...or take something that has already been innovative RECENTLY and put solid mass market appealing polish and spin on it...then it's going to be tough times ahead. Confidence has been shaken since the death of Jobs and the standard slow increase becomes harder the more and more you have a new android phone splatted onto the market every month.

Well they do have the best marketing team on the planet.. they could get Bush Jr elected US president again! But the confidence has been hit despite the great marketing because of cockups like Apple Maps, like updates that break wifi or battery life or security issues. It is simply the flood of bad news that not even the Apple marketing department with their media puppets can stop.
 
Also a significantly improved camera on the front and back, facetime over celullar, and HSPA+ on AT&T's network and an actual "World phone".

Err Facetime over celullar always worked .. just not in the US on US carriers. As for a "world phone".. not even the 5 is a world phone, but it is close. Camera are mehh after you have seen the Nokia 808 or the Lumia 920.

Though again, all the talk of specs is basically wonderful geek talk to hopefully make themselves look good to people that don't know better. The same was done (and I was right there doing it) back in the days of early smart phones and their PDA forefathers as well as the PC realm. The reality is that comparing flat processor speed or RAM information between two devices running entirely different operating systems is a bit like comparing lemons to oranges. They're both tropical fruit, they have similarities, but they are still rather different. An old Palm Vx ran a 20 MHz processor compared to a Compaq iPAQ's 206 HMz StrongArm chip...and yet for the vast majority of things people did on their PDA's, the Palm was as fast if not faster than the Compaq because the OS was optimized in a way that it didn't need a faster processor. Specs don't tell nearly the whole story, but they are wonderful for giving tech nerds (a group I readily admit I'm part of) a chubby and a way to sound so much superior to those outside of the know.

I remember when the 4S came out and they said "twice as fast" as the 4... err no... The speed was max 800mhz, and was actually on the 4S artifically lowered to conserve battery.. but because it had 2 cores then Apple used "twice as fast" marketing... it was utter bull**** since no apps at the time could run on 2 cores.

The reality is that even if the iPhone 5s "sounds like a 2 year old android phone", it's still going to likely run any similar program and any task as smooth and efficently, if not more so, than whatever the cutting edge android phone is that comes out during that year. Because while they're both smart phones, the reality is they are both very different animals in terms of what's running on top of all that hardware.

Have you tried Jelly Bean? It is actually smoother than iOS 6.. and far more stable. Most high end android phones, even with the bloatware on top, run rings around iOS and iPhone 5. The new HTC One is being called by pro-Apple fanboy reviewers as the best phone on the market.. Just saying.. Jelly Bean aint Froyo or ICS... it is a whole other beast.
 
Err Facetime over celullar always worked .. just not in the US on US carriers.

However in the US, which is a large market, that was a difference between the two. The iPhone 4s was able to use Facetime over Cellular sans jailbreak. The iPhone 4 could not.

As for a "world phone".. not even the 5 is a world phone, but it is close.

The 4s is a dual Quad-Band GSM radio along side a dual band CDMA radio, qualifying it as a "world phone". Regardless if you want to quibble based on your personal feeling regarding the definition, the fact the 4s was a dual Quad-Band GSM/Dual Band CDMA radio when the 4 was either one or the other, is a difference between them.

Camera are mehh after you have seen the Nokia 808 or the Lumia 920.

Which is irrelevant to the factually incorrect information you stated. You stated the between the 4 and 4s was Siri and the processor. That's simply undisputably false. Trying to divert away from that fact by leaping into an entirely different topic of comparing it to the Nokia phones doesn't change your error or the actual fact.

One such difference is the camera. Not only was it a difference, it was one of the primary ones Apple highlighted when announcing the device. The iPhone 4 was 5 megapixels compared to 8 for the 4s. Video recording went from 720p on the 4 to 1080p on the 4s. The 4s included an additional lens, a wider aperture, and an IR filter providing better low light shooting, better clarity, and better color balance.

Beat your strawman up all you want, but my comment was accurate in response to the inaccurate one you stated.

I remember when the 4S came out and they said "twice as fast" as the 4... err no... The speed was max 800mhz, and was actually on the 4S artifically lowered to conserve battery.. but because it had 2 cores then Apple used "twice as fast" marketing... it was utter bull**** since no apps at the time could run on 2 cores.

Doesn't really respond to anything I actually said in the quoted passage, but sure...okay...why not.

I don't actually remember "twice as fast" marketing, but I'll take your word for it. Wouldn't surprise me, marketers exaggerate, pretty much a given. Believing a marketer is like believing a politician. However, your "err no" dismissal is also rather dishonest in its flippant implication. Here's the geekbench stats for the iPhone4 vs iPhone 4s from anandtech.

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623 vs 360. So definitely not "twice as fast", but still a boost of about 75%. Additionally, the majority of Apples marketting I remembered seemed to be focused around the improvements when it came to graphics. Here, the iPhone4s significantly improved over the iPhone 4

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That's an over 600% improvement. A fairly decent change between the 4 and 4s.

The issue regarding cores is legit, but also not something unique to Apple. When Dual Core android phones started coming out, there wasn't a rash of Dual Core enabled apps either despite it being a dual core process being part of an advertising pitch. That's true of ANY technology. However, dual core usable apps came pretty quick into the stores, so it's kind of an idiotic complaint.

Have you tried Jelly Bean? It is actually smoother than iOS 6.. and far more stable.

I have. I appreciate your opinion. Disagere entirely and I've witness no such greater smoothness nor stability. As far as real world experience with them, I've never seen an Android phone that made me go "That's smoother and quicker" than the equivilent iphone I've used. Apparently your and I's experiences greatly vary. In terms of bench marking, the iPhone5 was right in line with the One X and was about 200 points back from the SIII thanks to that machines Quad Cores. Considernig a 75% increase in speed was something you chuckled off above, I imagine an 11% speed difference from one flagship in benchmarks and pretty much equal to the other flagship isn't too big of a deal.

I will say Jelly Bean was the first time I found the experience to be amazingly smooth out of the box. Project Butter was a wonderful and the responsiveness it helped bring in Jelly Bean is one of the big reasons I'd potentially consider an Android phone currently compared to what I had experience with them in the past.

As to the HTC One, it's a beautiful phone. I was watching the blogs during the HTC event that introduced it. I'm anxious to get ahold of it in person, as I generally don't like the feel of the very large phones but they can vary a bit based on shape, weight, etc. Also curious to fiddle around with Sense since part of the reason I went to WebOS (with hope that was shattered) and then the iPhone was because I've grown out of the phase where I like to spend hours on end tweaking and perfecting my phones interface and prefer something that simply works at a level that I'm happy with right off. I've been a fan of HTC for many years now, as my last three Windows Mobile phones were the Apache, the Vogue, and then the Diamond.

I've got nothing against Android phones. I don't think they're bad phones, I don't think people who use them are dumb, I don't have any desire nor need to get into a pissing match over the best. There's so many factors that are personal in nature that go into those discussions that it's frankly ridiculous to declare a best. Throwing out great Android phones at me isn't going to cause a "EEEEEECH! KILL IT WITH FIRE" reaction. The same goes for other OS's as well. I've said on the forum for some time that there's a strong part of me that is very intrigued by Windows Phone by the unique and interesting interface and base user experience of those devices, and the build quality of many of them along with app support has came a long way since the first days of it.

Right now, my decision of phone is simple....my job provides me with an iPhone 4s that I am authorized to use as my personal phone as well. So unless they change to offering Android by the time its time to retire my current phone (only blackberry and iphone offered atm) then I'm going to be using iOS. And I have no problems with that. There's nothing so intriguing about another OS...OR any of the new iPhones for that matter...that makes it compelling enough to spend the money to pay for cellular service. If at some point I no longer have this phone...sure, maybe at that point I'll determine if I want to flush the investment I've made in the ecosystem and jump ship to another OS based on the hardware and OS being good enough to make that jump worth it, but as of right now nothing gives me any compelling reason to do such.
 
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Realistic, and pretty standard. However on the ram issue, I dont think it will be with the 5s. Apple has never upgraded their amount of ram that quickly ever. Plus more ram means more money to companies that they dont like.

Yeah, you're right. I wrote that quickly and then going back to peak at some things I realized it's on the #'s not the S's that they tend to bump RAM.

Has been a big rumor fueled by analysts mostly. The problem with a cheaper phone is that they would damage the brand. And after all the "cheaper" phone is usually last years model. What they might do is lower the price or provide financing. In China they have started a financing service so people can buy their products on credit and pay per month for x number of months.

Could see that. And I agere that it's probalby largely pushed by analysts speculating. Then again, as you've noted, Apple's pretty good with getting "leaks" out to check reaction to potential plans. I think if they DID release a "cheaper" phone that you wouldn't likely see it much in the U.S. or Europe because of that brand identity you speak of. I think the only reason for it would be to mass produce it to potentially help proliferate it throughout the developing world where it's hard to catch on with their phones because there's less subsidizing. What you suggest could be the option they continue with going forward though. As I said, these were somewhat reaches.

I doubt they will add NFC. Apple and Jobs have never been a fan of NFC because it was in their words too slow. Plus they already have a wallet application and is not exactly a major hit. They might bring out some propitiatory system that they only use... like the lighting port on their Macs.. expensive and not compatible with anything.

Like I said, reach. Jobs has never been a fan, but Jobs wasn't a fan of 7" tablets and he wasn't a fan of making a phone either...till the phone came out ;) And the wallet application they haven't isn't really a wallet application..it just fell on the heels of others making wallet applicatoin announcements so it got lobbed in with that. Passbook is more like a password storer for tickets and electronic gift cards then it is wallet.

I'd view NFC similar to Bluetooth, where it may become a bit too standard to hope to utilize a different protocol.

Only in selected markets and with selected telecoms.. the 4s is still over 100 euros more expensive than the Galaxy S3.. in fact I can get an S3 contract free for 409 euros and the iPhone 4s costs 569 from Apple.

Gotta forgive me. American posting on an American centric board, so my view and comments are larging aimed at that market. The general model for most of the telecoms here that carry the iPhone is 2 years old free, 1 year old $99, current $199 and up.

Siri blows donkey balls.. it has not evolved one bit since it came out with the 4s, where as Android versions have not only passed Siri but made massive leaps ahead. Have you seen how slow Siri is compared to the Android apps that do the same? I have one called Android Assistant and it can open any app on my phone... Siri cant last I played with it.. only Apple and approved apps.

Siri has evolved, but not significantly. For example, yes Siri can now run launch applications. That said, it's an incredibly interesting service with lots of potential but it's just so rough. And worst of all with it is that when you're running on a bad network...so pretty much ANY part of the ****ing Sprint network...it's next to useless. Siri's a wonderful example of Apple having a wonderful idea...and dropping the ball in terms of execution. I do enjoy google now, and really like the many features that it has that are taken from the stated gameplan of WebOS during it's launch cycle but never came to pass (no doubt influenced by Duarte's arrival to the Android team).

Well they do have the best marketing team on the planet.. they could get Bush Jr elected US president again! But the confidence has been hit despite the great marketing because of cockups like Apple Maps, like updates that break wifi or battery life or security issues. It is simply the flood of bad news that not even the Apple marketing department with their media puppets can stop.

The Maps and the Antenna gate were the biggest cockups that actually hurt them in some way I think. The latter, because of the amazingly flippant response ("you're holding it wrong") from them that was just mindboggling stupid. The former, because it was an OBVIOUS attempt to simply cut some ties with Google despite offering a worse experience.

As an actual tech geek, the latter one is a bit more understandable to me and I didn't give them as much flack because that was somewhat of a "Both sides with a standoff' type of thing. Apple's a giant dick when it comes with letting things onto their device...on the flip side, given the google maps app tha thit the app store, there's no doubt Google could've greatly improved the Maps app and wouldn't do it...so it was a rock and a hard spot situation. Either go to a worse application that has the potential to be better than what you originally had....or stay with something that will never grow, but is adequette.

Ultimately I'm happy in the long run. A tiny bit of a wait and now I have Google Maps on there for when I want to get walking directions or things like that, while I use the built in apple maps usually when I have my bluetooth on and want to quickly get a map going without fiddling with the device.
 
However in the US, which is a large market, that was a difference between the two. The iPhone 4s was able to use Facetime over Cellular sans jailbreak. The iPhone 4 could not.

Yea but as I stated, that was carrier/country specific.

The 4s is a dual Quad-Band GSM radio along side a dual band CDMA radio, qualifying it as a "world phone". Regardless if you want to quibble based on your personal feeling regarding the definition, the fact the 4s was a dual Quad-Band GSM/Dual Band CDMA radio when the 4 was either one or the other, is a difference between them.

For me a world phone is one that works anywhere.. it does not.. few phones do :) iPhone 5 is even worse with its limited 4G/LTE.

Which is irrelevant to the factually incorrect information you stated. You stated the between the 4 and 4s was Siri and the processor. That's simply undisputably false. Trying to divert away from that fact by leaping into an entirely different topic of comparing it to the Nokia phones doesn't change your error or the actual fact.

One such difference is the camera. Not only was it a difference, it was one of the primary ones Apple highlighted when announcing the device. The iPhone 4 was 5 megapixels compared to 8 for the 4s. Video recording went from 720p on the 4 to 1080p on the 4s. The 4s included an additional lens, a wider aperture, and an IR filter providing better low light shooting, better clarity, and better color balance.

Beat your strawman up all you want, but my comment was accurate in response to the inaccurate one you stated.

Sorry but all manufactures make improvements to the camera at every update and often very minor ones. Adding filters and stuff that few people use is not a mind-boggling change.

Doesn't really respond to anything I actually said in the quoted passage, but sure...okay...why not.

I don't actually remember "twice as fast" marketing, but I'll take your word for it.

It was part of the 4S presentation material.

Wouldn't surprise me, marketers exaggerate, pretty much a given. Believing a marketer is like believing a politician. However, your "err no" dismissal is also rather dishonest in its flippant implication. Here's the geekbench stats for the iPhone4 vs iPhone 4s from anandtech.

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623 vs 360. So definitely not "twice as fast", but still a boost of about 75%. Additionally, the majority of Apples marketting I remembered seemed to be focused around the improvements when it came to graphics. Here, the iPhone4s significantly improved over the iPhone 4

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Yea but the 4 was one core.. the 4S was two cores, hence of course it is "faster". :)

That's an over 600% improvement. A fairly decent change between the 4 and 4s.

That is attributed to a new graphics chip in the 4s vs the 4 plus issues with the benchmarking software per OS. Anandtech has been complaining about the benchmarking software available not being optimized. I am not saying that the iPhone chips are not fast, just stating that these benchmarks need to be taken with a grain of salt.

The issue regarding cores is legit, but also not something unique to Apple. When Dual Core android phones started coming out, there wasn't a rash of Dual Core enabled apps either despite it being a dual core process being part of an advertising pitch. That's true of ANY technology. However, dual core usable apps came pretty quick into the stores, so it's kind of an idiotic complaint.

Yea but they did not claim "double as fast" as their previous model :)

I have. I appreciate your opinion. Disagere entirely and I've witness no such greater smoothness nor stability. As far as real world experience with them, I've never seen an Android phone that made me go "That's smoother and quicker" than the equivilent iphone I've used. Apparently your and I's experiences greatly vary. In terms of bench marking, the iPhone5 was right in line with the One X and was about 200 points back from the SIII thanks to that machines Quad Cores. Considernig a 75% increase in speed was something you chuckled off above, I imagine an 11% speed difference from one flagship in benchmarks and pretty much equal to the other flagship isn't too big of a deal.

I have had good and bad experiences with both the iPhone and Android OS. I have had iPhones crash and lag like hell, and I have had Android phones do the same. I have also had the total opposite experience and my Jelly Bean Nexus 7 runs smmoooooth.

Right now, my decision of phone is simple....my job provides me with an iPhone 4s that I am authorized to use as my personal phone as well. So unless they change to offering Android by the time its time to retire my current phone (only blackberry and iphone offered atm) then I'm going to be using iOS. And I have no problems with that. There's nothing so intriguing about another OS...OR any of the new iPhones for that matter...that makes it compelling enough to spend the money to pay for cellular service. If at some point I no longer have this phone...sure, maybe at that point I'll determine if I want to flush the investment I've made in the ecosystem and jump ship to another OS based on the hardware and OS being good enough to make that jump worth it, but as of right now nothing gives me any compelling reason to do such.

I am seriously looking into a Windows Phone 8 device. iPhone is never going to be in my hands as long as it costs so much. Samsung Galaxy S3 is also interesting but we shall see what the HTC One is going to cost.
 
I recently upgraded from a Galaxy S III to a Galaxy Note II. My wife was much more excited about it than I was, but I must say that I really like the Note II. The S III was already a better phone than the iPhone 5, the Note II is better than the S III and the S 4 will blow away anything that Apple can put on the iPhone 6. I won't be upgrading to the S 4 when it comes out as I'm very happy with the Note II and I can't see dropping all that money on a new phone so soon. I'll be due for a full discount on an upgrade this time next year and the S 5 (and possibly the Note III) will most likely be out by then.

I realize that Apple users are loyal and I can respect that, but the Galaxy series is a far superior product. If you like your iPhone, that's great, but if you want a better phone, the Galaxy series is the way to go.
 
I realize that Apple users are loyal and I can respect that, but the Galaxy series is a far superior product.

Stop, because this is pure ignorance. It's akin to claiming that Coke is a superior product to Pepsi. It's like claiming a four door coupe is a superior product to a sports car.

At best, you could claim that the Galaxy series is a superior piece of internal hardware. That's it. And that even is a statement based on ignorance that hardware specs for two different devices running on entirely different OS's don't necessarily correlate.

What is or isn't a superior product greatly depends on the needs, desires, and purpose of the individual purchsing the product. It's laughable how you throw in a comment about Apple users "loyalty" in a back handed insult kind of way, while turning around and making an outlandish hyperbolic statement in favor of the product line you're "loyal" to.
 
Stop, because this is pure ignorance. It's akin to claiming that Coke is a superior product to Pepsi. It's like claiming a four door coupe is a superior product to a sports car.

At best, you could claim that the Galaxy series is a superior piece of internal hardware. That's it. And that even is a statement based on ignorance that hardware specs for two different devices running on entirely different OS's don't necessarily correlate.

What is or isn't a superior product greatly depends on the needs, desires, and purpose of the individual purchsing the product. It's laughable how you throw in a comment about Apple users "loyalty" in a back handed insult kind of way, while turning around and making an outlandish hyperbolic statement in favor of the product line you're "loyal" to.

Android itself does offer customization abilities to meet pretty any specific need outside of relatively obscure specialist software. If you need your Android to be able to do something, you probably can. Can't say that about iOS. Granted, that's not really Samsung specific, but it is part of the series simply due to being the OS. And when you're at the total two year price of either, price really doesn't matter.

Also, Google Voice TROUNCES Siri in response time and accuracy. I don't really use either on my Nexus 7 vs iPad 3, but from what Youtube Videos show, it's not even close.

I'm probably one of the weird people who actually wants a smaller phone. Was looking at the Nexus 4 (can buy TWO iPhones for that price!). But it's still large. iPhone 5 is nice, but not at that price. An iPhone 4 is going new $349 on Virgin Mobile.

If Apple brings out Widgets for iOS 7, that will remove a big advantage Android has. I really wish my iPad had widgets.
 
Android itself does offer customization abilities to meet pretty any specific need outside of relatively obscure specialist software.

Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.

In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.
 
Also, Google Voice TROUNCES Siri in response time and accuracy. I don't really use either on my Nexus 7 vs iPad 3, but from what Youtube Videos show, it's not even close.

Its not .. Android versions of Siri type system totally destroys Apple's Siri in everything from speed to accuracy and to opening 3rd party apps. Siri sucks donkey balls compared to what you can get on Android and it is because of the iOS system and Apple's insane control freak attitude.

I'm probably one of the weird people who actually wants a smaller phone. Was looking at the Nexus 4 (can buy TWO iPhones for that price!). But it's still large. iPhone 5 is nice, but not at that price. An iPhone 4 is going new $349 on Virgin Mobile.

Thats the great thing about Android or even Windows Phone... smaller phones exist. Sony makes some nice quality smaller phones.

If Apple brings out Widgets for iOS 7, that will remove a big advantage Android has. I really wish my iPad had widgets.

Wont happen.. iOS is not designed for that, plus widgets take up battery power and if there is one thing Apple refuses to do, it is to ruin its battery performance at the cost of new fancy stuff that they steal from others.
 
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.

You dont have to "customize" ... if you buy a Samsung, HTC and so on, they have their own system that is just as user friendly as iOS. Only place you might want to customize is on the Nexus devices that run vanilla Android. You might think that the "dumbing down" is good on iOS, but iOS is actually getting more and more complicated in its attempt to play catch up and adding features that freak the hell out of people if activated. For example slid-switch mute option... brain dead to say the least and has caused tons of problems for people.

In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.

Then you would love Windows Phone... you get the best of both worlds basically.
 
You dont have to "customize" ... if you buy a Samsung, HTC and so on, they have their own system that is just as user friendly as iOS.

And again, "user friendly" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Simply because the out of the box experience to you is better doesn't necessarily mean that's some kind of universal fact.

Then you would love Windows Phone... you get the best of both worlds basically.

Like I've said in earlier posts, if I wasn't being provided a phone from my office I most likely would be tempted to go Windows Phone. Next to WebOS, it's been the most intriguing and interesting stock experience out of the major smart phones. The hardware's been improving, as has app support, which is partially what would continue to tempt me. My one slight issue with them at this point over iOS or Android, and what would potentially keep me from jumping, is that there's no tablet that uses the same ecosystem of apps to my understanding. Meaning I'm purchaisng anything that I'd want to function on both twice each and every time. Not a huge issue though, and wouldn't keep me from cnosidering it.
 
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.

In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.


Yes, but you miss the whole point. What happens to the iPhone buyer that ends up not liking the "experience" of the out of the box iPhone? They're SOL, is what.
 
And again, "user friendly" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Simply because the out of the box experience to you is better doesn't necessarily mean that's some kind of universal fact.

Oh but that is what you and other Applefans claim... and Apple it self!
 
Oh but that is what you and other Applefans claim... and Apple it self!

Actually, I don't claim that. I think Apple is viewed as more "user friendly" by and large, or at the least "simpler" to learn and use (which you even acknowledge in your insulting use of verbage in an earlier post)....but utlimately, it comes down to individual preference as to what stock operating system an individual prefers.
 
Yes, but you miss the whole point. What happens to the iPhone buyer that ends up not liking the "experience" of the out of the box iPhone? They're SOL, is what.

They take it back within their 30 day point and try another phone, or they wait until their contract is up and try a different OS while cursing themselves for dragging their feet in the first 30 days.

The same state that a user who has no desire to customize or tweak Android has if they discover the experience isn't to their liking.
 
They take it back within their 30 day point and try another phone, or they wait until their contract is up and try a different OS while cursing themselves for dragging their feet in the first 30 days.

The same state that a user who has no desire to customize or tweak Android has if they discover the experience isn't to their liking.

Ah, so iPhone's personalization feature is the return policy? Got it.

This doesn't actually change the stereotype of the average iPhone user. :2razz:
 
Ah, so iPhone's personalization feature is the return policy? Got it.

This doesn't actually change the stereotype of the average iPhone user. :2razz:

Since we're getting smart ass about it, let me go with a more cynical and then geek approach... ;)

First, the person's initial bit of recourse should be to go ram their head into a wall. If you're puchasing a device costing hundreds of dollars, or making you sign into a 2 year contract, without significantly researching it or testing it out first then you're a bit of an idiot. It's not like the iOS interface, or Android for that matter, is amazingly new or inaccessable to try. You should easily be able to find a store to try them out, if not simply finding a friend that has one you can poke around on.

Second, if we're saying the person discovers somehow later on that they're unhappy with it and are geeky enough go about tweaking their phone to the perfect interface, then they can jailbreak it and open up a fair bit of options for customizing to their pleasure. Not to the point of Android, or that WebOS or Windows Mobile, but still enough to do a fair amount of tinkering.
 
Yes, it's amazingly customizable. It's one of it's strengths. It's also part of what covers up one of it's weaknesses in some peoples mind....that it's a poor out of box experience for some folks. Some people don't want to go through the process of finding a bunch of customizations, continually tweaking their phone, with a necessity to get it just right. Some want an out of box experience in terms of interface that is good and enough to make them happy without any tweaking, even if it's not "perfect". For some, iOS gives that where Android doesn't.

Definitely. This is something many Fandroids simply don't get. My iPod touch falls into that. I basically use it solely as an MP3 Player these days. I don't need or want any fancy customization for it. My Nexus 7 however, has serious customization. Pretty tweaked everything (unrooted though as I no longer needed root command USB Access) short of switching to Tablet UI.

In my earlier days, I would've been gungho on Android. There was a reason I went PocketPC and later Windows Mobile over Palm, then blackberry, then iOS. But I've also became one of those people who don't want to mess around with interface options and tweaks and various things on end anymore. I'd love a little bit more of it than iOS gives, but to me it's no longer a big deal. I'd be happy if they added widgets and such, and it'd be a nice addition, but it's not a feature that's of any weight for me personally at this point. It's sprinkles on top.

Widgets are I think the simplest thing iOS is missing out on. Right now 4.2 lets you do lockscreen widgets. You can check weather, news, etc all without unlocking and merely at a glance. That's power.
 
Actually, I don't claim that. I think Apple is viewed as more "user friendly" by and large, or at the least "simpler" to learn and use (which you even acknowledge in your insulting use of verbage in an earlier post)....but utlimately, it comes down to individual preference as to what stock operating system an individual prefers.

That view is generated by marketing not reality. Windows Phone is far more user friendly and simpler.
 
That view is generated by marketing not reality. Windows Phone is far more user friendly and simpler.

User friendly is a subjective term.

I have a hard time navigating Macs these days as I'm used to the Windows structure. And despite having a Nexus 7, Samsung's Touch Wiz makes it harder to use their phones.

As for simpler, 4.2, iOS 6 and Windows I feel are about the same in doing basic things.
 
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