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Gaming Laptop

PeteEU said:
Dont get me wrong.. Alienware is quality and you pay for it. It use to be a start up by some nerds that made computers (not laptops) for the gaming community. They were pricey but you actually got something from the money.. it was the ultimate computer for gamers and in many ways still is.... but ...

Then Dell bought them.. and frankly it has gone a tad down hill. Not only is the customization ability gone compared to back then, but the prices have also oddly gone up.

My problem is not the content.. it is the price.. No freaking way am I ever gonna recommend a computer for 2000 dollars unless it is gold plated and does my laundry and walks the dogs. That is why I hate Mac.. you pay a huge premium on average components and a useless insecure operating system in a very closed eco-system.

Now unlike Macs.. in Alienware you actually get something for the 2000 dollars.. but unless you are the hardcore shooter gamer that requires top FPS then frankly you do not need it. It would be like buying a Mac Book Pro for 2000 dollars only to use it to twitter and do Facebook.

Plus... speaking as a gamer... unless you are a professional gamer and need the mobility, then having a laptop as your main gaming machine is rather dumb. Upgrade ability is zero and the machine is almost outdated by the time you pack out the monster. A good example is the link you posted... that machine is outdated as of this month.. since Ivy Bridge will be out and you will loose 20% performance boost (if the tests are correct)... and Alienware most likely will have the upgrade version "soon".

No, in my opinion, the best gaming machine (and cheapest) is one you build yourself with parts you trust and specs you need to play the games you want. My gaming machine is an i5 2500k overclocked to 4GHZ (so far), 8 GB ram and a so so graphics card (which I already had). It runs my games just fine and I am future proofed at least a year.. it cost me 420 dollars since I reused the case and such. Next upgrade of the processor will cost the same probably.. in 2 or 3 years. My next upgrade will be the graphicscard in a year or so.. which will cost 100 to 150 dollars (I refuse to spend more)

But with that laptop.... in 2 to 3 years (if not less) you would need to dish out another 2k to keep up with the top end laptop gaming machines.

And the best thing is that... building your own machine is not hard.. not only are there plenty of instructions included in the gear you buy, but there is plenty of help to get on places like youtube and what not.
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Please try getting me one of them i'd defiantly pay $2000 for that :lamo

thank you for the information, it was really helpful mate.

Maybe you should consider changing your username to Wikipedia? ;)
 
PeteEU said:
Dont get me wrong.. Alienware is quality and you pay for it. It use to be a start up by some nerds that made computers (not laptops) for the gaming community. They were pricey but you actually got something from the money.. it was the ultimate computer for gamers and in many ways still is.... but ...

Then Dell bought them.. and frankly it has gone a tad down hill. Not only is the customization ability gone compared to back then, but the prices have also oddly gone up.

My problem is not the content.. it is the price.. No freaking way am I ever gonna recommend a computer for 2000 dollars unless it is gold plated and does my laundry and walks the dogs. That is why I hate Mac.. you pay a huge premium on average components and a useless insecure operating system in a very closed eco-system.

Now unlike Macs.. in Alienware you actually get something for the 2000 dollars.. but unless you are the hardcore shooter gamer that requires top FPS then frankly you do not need it. It would be like buying a Mac Book Pro for 2000 dollars only to use it to twitter and do Facebook.

Plus... speaking as a gamer... unless you are a professional gamer and need the mobility, then having a laptop as your main gaming machine is rather dumb. Upgrade ability is zero and the machine is almost outdated by the time you pack out the monster. A good example is the link you posted... that machine is outdated as of this month.. since Ivy Bridge will be out and you will loose 20% performance boost (if the tests are correct)... and Alienware most likely will have the upgrade version "soon".

No, in my opinion, the best gaming machine (and cheapest) is one you build yourself with parts you trust and specs you need to play the games you want. My gaming machine is an i5 2500k overclocked to 4GHZ (so far), 8 GB ram and a so so graphics card (which I already had). It runs my games just fine and I am future proofed at least a year.. it cost me 420 dollars since I reused the case and such. Next upgrade of the processor will cost the same probably.. in 2 or 3 years. My next upgrade will be the graphicscard in a year or so.. which will cost 100 to 150 dollars (I refuse to spend more)

But with that laptop.... in 2 to 3 years (if not less) you would need to dish out another 2k to keep up with the top end laptop gaming machines.

And the best thing is that... building your own machine is not hard.. not only are there plenty of instructions included in the gear you buy, but there is plenty of help to get on places like youtube and what not.
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Well see that is the thing. You say unless I am a proffessional gamer. I'm not. But I find myself moving around so often that I never have the space to set up a big rig. It isn't that I don't want one. I would LOVE to be able to afford and play games on a computer. But I can't. I have too much stuff on my plate that keeps me going all over. I mean seriously. I would love to have a gaming option other than cliff diver on my cell phone.
 
stonewall50 said:
Well see that is the thing. You say unless I am a proffessional gamer. I'm not. But I find myself moving around so often that I never have the space to set up a big rig. It isn't that I don't want one. I would LOVE to be able to afford and play games on a computer. But I can't. I have too much stuff on my plate that keeps me going all over. I mean seriously. I would love to have a gaming option other than cliff diver on my cell phone.
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Okay... figure out what games you play and what their recommend PC stats are.

Then go look at laptops.

A must is a dedicated graphics card with at least 512 mb. Intel HD graphics... is not a dedicated graphics card.
A must is minimum 4 GB ram, more the better.
Screen must be 1600x800 minimum

Now processor wise.. an i3 can play most games.. i5 of course is better and i7 even better.. but the price goes up and up. i7 is pretty much the e-penis of processors.. more power than you can use...:)

Top 10 Gaming Laptops - April 2012

This site has some okay rankings but you can how varied the price can be..

Now looking at newegg.. the only US site I know.... you can get an okay gaming laptop for 800 dollars and a great laptop for about 1500 dollars.

But look at this....

Newegg.com - MSI GT783R-658US Notebook Intel Core i7 2670QM(2.20GHz) 17.3" 12GB Memory DDR3 1.5TB HDD 7200rpm Blu-Ray Burner NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M

the same Alienware machine is 600 dollars more expensive... and it is pretty much the same stuff in both. Same graphics card, same processor, .. actually more ram on the MSI.

This MSI machine, much cheaper is also pretty cool for 90% of the games you can play...

Newegg.com - MSI G Series GT683DX-840US Notebook Intel Core i7 2670QM(2.20GHz) 15.6" 12GB Memory DDR3 750GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M

over 1000 dollars less than the Alienware but with the same processor and more ram. The place they have saved money looks like the graphics card.

But as I stated.. it all depends on what games we are talking about. The Alien machine or similar (MSI makes some great ones as well) are for high FPS games like Crysis 2 and so on. But if you only playing WoW, SWTOR, or Civilization then you dont really need such a machine.
 
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Just noticed you want to play Battlefield 3.. okay

Battlefield 3 - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Here are the graphics card that are good for that .. go to Newegg, find them and see what laptops carry them and what the price is. Chances are, they are almost all cheaper than the Alienware.
 
The problems with gaming laptops are mostly technical. A laptop has inherent issues with power consumption, space, and heat. Modern gaming requires more and more computing power, and that comes with a requirement for more power and generates more heat. A desktop case can have several large vents with fans to deal with that, and can have a beefy power supply permanently plugged in. A laptop lacks the space for proper ventilation, and a beefy graphics card will suck the battery dry pretty fast, as will a faster processor or larger screen.

Be wary of the laptop graphics cards with the "m" suffix. The mobile versions of graphics cards aren't as powerful as their desktop counterparts, so make sure you're checking benchmarks for the correct card. A 540 and 540m are not the same!

Powerful laptops exist, but the inherent technical problems means that they have to be smaller and more efficient, and that costs money.
 
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