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Communist school ideals(Should they be banned?)

MisterLogical said:
Yes, not like you ignored everything else written in that post.
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No, I said all of them were false. Pay attention.

If you are going to cherry pick, than why even have a discussion?
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I didn't cherry pick, I said they were all false, with only the very last one containing any real shred of truth. I started with your very first one and you continually try to dodge the question.

Did your school have special education? It's a simple question.
 
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MisterLogical said:
No, memorizing steps is not the same as understanding. Memorizing steps is MEMORIZATION. What you say makes no sense at all. Someone can understand the equation it does not mean they are going to memorize 10 steps. You can tell someone to read a page and than recite it back, if they can not recite the entire page, it does not mean they CANT READ. It means they can not memorize the entire page. Some people have fantastic memory, some people can memorize it if they do it over and over(Which works better with people who dont have amazing recall).

SHOW YOUR WORK MEANS DO ALL THE STEPS, That is memorization, that has nothing to do with auctual learning. You simply dont understand the difference. I sure hope your not a teacher since you would label a student incompetent for not having a great memory. I dont really understand how anyone can confuse the two.

Why do you think students have to memorize do times tables many times? TO MEMORIZE THEM! You can get the question manually by actually doing the math in your head. Whats 9 x 9 = or you can simply memorize 9X9=, 9x8= so on.

Just because you memorize material does not mean you understand it. I can tell someone to memorize a page and read it back, however it does not mean they understand what they actually read. It means they memorized it. You should try learning the difference between understanding materiel vs memorizing it. They are obviously not the same thing.

People with long division often can not remember all 10 steps since they get lost after 3-4 steps, so they often use the short cuts. The short cuts get the same answer, and these particular student might do fine on long division with shorter steps but when you get them too many steps they just become lost. However the short cuts are still a correct way of getting the answer but not everyone can watch the teacher and do all 10 steps. Its kind of like memorizing all of the states, it does not mean you are stupid for not knowing them, but you never took the time memorizing them. Just because you remember something does not mean you understand what you read. I have memorized enough material to pass a test, I really did not understand what I was reading but I knew the answers.
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This makes no sense. Teachers teach different ways to solve problems and students get to pick which way they like the best. Perhaps you are talking about having to write out math problems in essay form?
 
MisterLogical said:
A lot of schools have adopted these communist philosophy's. Which I believe is not good for learning. The rules are the following.

1.All students must learn in the same class room and graduate at the same time
2.No student can be left behind
3.No student can learn ahead of schedule even if they are too advanced for the class for their age
4.No student can graduate early
5.No student can show any sign of individual expression or its a sign of mental illness
6.Children will be graded on a CURVE
7.No student must learn or achieve a goal any other way than how they are taught.
8.PE requirements must be extremely low as to accommodate anyone with any kind of physical handicap
9.If there is a fight, both parties are always guilty and get the same punishment regardless of who started the fight or who targeted who

So what are your thoughts on these requirements? Now not all schools have all of these, but a lot of them have adopted one or more of these and these are becoming very common in Public school.
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My thought on the subject is that you have no idea what you're talking about and pay too much attention to Alex Jones.
 
MisterLogical said:
A lot of schools have adopted these communist philosophy's. Which I believe is not good for learning. The rules are the following.

1.All students must learn in the same class room and graduate at the same time
2.No student can be left behind
3.No student can learn ahead of schedule even if they are too advanced for the class for their age
4.No student can graduate early
5.No student can show any sign of individual expression or its a sign of mental illness
6.Children will be graded on a CURVE
7.No student must learn or achieve a goal any other way than how they are taught.
8.PE requirements must be extremely low as to accommodate anyone with any kind of physical handicap
9.If there is a fight, both parties are always guilty and get the same punishment regardless of who started the fight or who targeted who

So what are your thoughts on these requirements? Now not all schools have all of these, but a lot of them have adopted one or more of these and these are becoming very common in Public school.
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I was born in a communist state and I don't recognize any of these principles as being part of the education system as it existed there.

Which communist philosopher or educationalist proposed these ideas? Or did you make that bit up?

By the way, the plural of philosophy is not philosophy's but philosophies. This stupid commie did learn that, and English isn't even my first language.
 
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