How does calling something human offspring 'dehumanize' it? LOL
It doesn't,... unless it it done in such a way as to deny that offspring his/her rights, life and personhood.
I see. Your goal is to try and use emotional terms. I get it now, and that's pretty much what I figured all along.
My goal is to encourage people to educate themselves on the beginnings of a person's life, the Constitution and the reality that takes place in an elective abortion.
You WANT to convey the image that pro-choice folks are all for killing anyone at any time by equating a fertilized egg to an adult.
Liar.
I never equated the two and you can not provide a post from any forum I have ever posted in to support that characterization. Just because I believe in "equal" basic rights for all.... That doesn't mean "all are equal beings." Hell, I don't even think all adults are equal, nor are all children.
Lie about me again and I'll just add you to my ignore list.
Even further than that, you want to elicit the emotion invoked when someone randomly kills children. (the kind of children who are between birth and adolescence...the kind of children most of us use the word to describe). So instead of making an argument based on any kind of science or merit, you simply want to evoke unwarranted emotion and tie to something completely irrelevant to the image you want to portray.
Oh the mean pro-choicers, they want to murder all the children in the world!
A fetus is without a doubt a living, growing, human child in the sense that it is human offspring.
... since the dictionary states that a 'child' is the biological offspring of two humans, then I guess it qualifies.
The human fetus is the same animal, the same creature, the same organism from conception to death. No one argues that. And using the word 'child' isn't going to change that either.
Rivrrat, per your quotes above,.. I don't see where we disagree on the scientific merits of when a new child's life begins.
So, it is what it is. You don't like my use of the word child because of the emotional response. But you say yourself, that it's not wrong for me to do so,... you demand that I rely solely on the scientific merits,.. and we agree on the scientific side.
It's starting to look like you are fighting me,.. But your problem is with yourself.
you simply want to evoke unwarranted emotion and tie to something completely irrelevant to the image you want to portray.
Do you really want to see me go there?
Oh the mean pro-choicers, they want to murder all the children in the world!
Another mischaracterization. I challenge you to show me where I said anything about your motivations or demeanors.
Now that I know that's where you're coming from, there's really nothing further to discuss. Because if you were really wanting a true discussion of merit, you would accept 'human offspring' in place of 'child' when discussing something that means the SAME ****ING THING. But no, human offspring is too 'sterile'. 'Fetus' is to 'sterile'. We mustn't call it what it biologically IS, we must instead call it something more.... emotional. So as to elicit a different image altogether.
The images are all over the net if anyone wants to see them
As far as the biology,.. we already agree on the biology.
That leaves only the aspect of how we will respond or respect the biological facts that we agree upon.
I believe that a child's life (and rights) begin at their biological conception, and you believe that they don't have any rights until they develop to an arbitrarily drawn point (sentience),... after which you can't deny them any longer.[/quote]
Gotcha :roll:
