Abortion is wrong

Goshin · 07-03-09, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by smartaleck

You missed my meaning altogeather. I was making the statement that if men can control womens bodies by deciding weither abortion is legal or illegal or the fact that men have a right to say if she has a abortion or not then why can't we have the same rights where men's bodies are concerned? Why can't women say if vasectomy'' are illegal and make men do without them if we choose?

If we can control women's bodies then it's only fair that we can do the same to men's bodies. Equal opportunity I say.

In my state, a married man cannot get a vasectomy without his wife's permission. Fact.

So there.

But presently she can get an abortion and her husband has no say.

Jerry · 07-03-09, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Goshin

In my state, a married man cannot get a vasectomy without his wife's permission. Fact.

So there.

But presently she can get an abortion and her husband has no say.

Yup, I had that problem when I lived in CO.

I wanted a vasectomy, everything was good to go, but the clinic wanted her to sign off on it because, and I quote "if you get a vasectomy without her consent you will violating her right to reproduce".

So, women, when I read all your cute lil 'my body, my choice' arguments, you're all ****ing lairs.

Gladiator · 07-03-09, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Yup, I had that problem when I lived in CO.

I wanted a vasectomy, everything was good to go, but the clinic wanted her to sign off on it because, and I quote "if you get a vasectomy without her consent you will violating her right to reproduce".

So, women, when I read all your cute lil 'my body, my choice' arguments, you're all ****ing lairs.

Women do much of hte work in raisng a critter to become a member of society. It is more than her body, it is also the future of her heart and life's toil. Once a baby is born, the Mother will almost always invariably be emotionaly attached to care for the child until the child moves out, or longer.

It is not only a woman's body, it is also her life's work.

Anti-Choice advocates like to sound moralistic, especially men, but when it comes to caring for the offspring, the Men are not providing their share of the safe drinking water for the world.

Because Men are making more babies that women can be responsibly care for. 6000 children are dying each day, because men are failing to provide safe drinking water for their children.

But Men want to sound moralistic, saying birth contr0ol and Abortion are wrong, abstinence only, really!

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Jerry · 07-03-09, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gladiator

Women do much of hte work in raisng a critter to become a member of society. It is more than her body, it is also the future of her heart and life's toil. Once a baby is born, the Mother will almost always invariably be emotionaly attached to care for the child until the child moves out, or longer.

It is not only a woman's body, it is also her life's work.

Anti-Choice advocates like to sound moralistic, especially men, but when it comes to caring for the offspring, the Men are not providing their share of the safe drinking water for the world.

Because Men are making more babies that women can be responsibly care for. 6000 children are dying each day, because men are failing to provide safe drinking water for their children.

But Men want to sound moralistic, saying birth contr0ol and Abortion are wrong, abstinence only, really!

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......and your point was?.....

Vader · 07-03-09, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAvE8tor

Hello everyone,

As you might be able to see I am new to DebatePolitics but I hope to have a good start. And I want to start with this issue because it is one that is important to me.

There are several things that people do not know about abortion. Like the several different types of methods involved.

For instance. The drug RU-486. Not many people know what that is. It is one method of abortion. The women take the RU-486 which blocks progesterone. Progesterone is a vital horomone to development of the baby while still in the uteris.

After RU-486 a second drug is given which then allows the baby to expel from the uteris. Women who take this drug experience severe cramps, and vomiting.

Then there is the suction-aspiration. This is the worst in my opinion because the baby can feel everything that is going on. the cervical muscle is widened, and a suction tube with a knife on the end slices the baby up and sucks it out into peices.

All of these methods plus many more are wrong! Now, I am not here to start riots, or shoot doctors; I just want to let people know my views. If you don't agree with me that is fine, your intitled to your opinion.

To learn more about abortion you can go this link:

How Are Abortions Done? - Heritage House Literature.

Thanks for reading my first post!!!

Interesting first post.

Conservatives have the most difficult time realizing their religion is NOT the law.

You may think its wrong; that is your opinion. Please understand that there is a time when abortion is necessary for the protection of the mother. This MUST be allowed whether the religious right likes it or not.

Have a nice day.

OKgrannie · 07-03-09, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Yup, I had that problem when I lived in CO.

I wanted a vasectomy, everything was good to go, but the clinic wanted her to sign off on it because, and I quote "if you get a vasectomy without her consent you will violating her right to reproduce".

So, women, when I read all your cute lil 'my body, my choice' arguments, you're all ****ing lairs.

The requirement for a spouse's signature is purely the clinic's policy, not a law.

From Yahoo:

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There are many urban legends about vasectomies. The one about needing a spouses permission is one of the more common ones. I think I have seen it asked on here a few dozen times. I wonder if this legend will ever die.

Under federal HIPAA regulations the doctor can't legally require the permission of the spouse. That is the law. The law is federal and therefore applies in all 50 states.

Goshin · 07-03-09, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gladiator

Women do much of hte work in raisng a critter to become a member of society. It is more than her body, it is also the future of her heart and life's toil. Once a baby is born, the Mother will almost always invariably be emotionaly attached to care for the child until the child moves out, or longer.

It is not only a woman's body, it is also her life's work.

Anti-Choice advocates like to sound moralistic, especially men, but when it comes to caring for the offspring, the Men are not providing their share of the safe drinking water for the world.

Because Men are making more babies that women can be responsibly care for. 6000 children are dying each day, because men are failing to provide safe drinking water for their children.

But Men want to sound moralistic, saying birth contr0ol and Abortion are wrong, abstinence only, really!

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Your gender is listed as male, are you sure about that?

I'm a single father, I started taking care of a 2 yo when my wife went off to pursue her own intrests, been at it for over a decade...nor am I unique...so you can STUFF the men-don't-care-for-children attitude where the sun don't shine.

Men opposed to birth control: straw man argument, nobody said that.

MEN responsible for lack of safe drinking water: why exactly are women powerless to do something about this? Answer: they aren't. You appear to be just hating on men.

What are YOU doing to provide safe drinking water to the "bottom billion", other than talking about it? I've asked you this a dozen times, and your only answer is that you yack about it and accuse others of not caring, you hypocrite.

G.

Gladiator · 07-03-09, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

......and your point was?.....

Perhaps a Reproductionist is a term for admirers of young fetuses.

I believe that you, and many anti-choice advocates, honestly don't see my points.

I think you are blinded with the enamor of the unborn.

So the emotional attachment to the fetal tissue, withthe potential for life, blinds many anti-choicers to the realities of the harm to the planet.

Anti-Choicers see thmselves as Catholics or American, or Brittish, or whatever smaller part of Earth People hey wich to consider themselves, for the purpose of blinding themselves to teh situation of the Bottom Billion.

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Gladiator · 07-03-09, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Goshin

Your gender is listed as male, are you sure about that?

I'm a single father, I started taking care of a 2 yo when my wife went off to pursue her own intrests, been at it for over a decade...nor am I unique...so you can STUFF the men-don't-care-for-children attitude where the sun don't shine.

Men opposed to birth control: straw man argument, nobody said that.

MEN responsible for lack of safe drinking water: why exactly are women powerless to do something about this? Answer: they aren't. You appear to be just hating on men.

What are YOU doing to provide safe drinking water to the "bottom billion", other than talking about it? I've asked you this a dozen times, and your only answer is that you yack about it and accuse others of not caring, you hypocrite.

G.

Its all I can do is to try to contradict and research rebuttals to all the idiotic Anti-Chice threads and posts on this baord. I Wish I had time to take a trip to the Bottom Billion and distribute some condoms. I actaully appreciate your challenging me to Act, rather than Yack.

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anti-abiding · 07-03-09, 08:39 PM

TheNextEra, if you support women rights then you also support the decision of an American woman. The average American woman who commits to abortion (who isn't raped) had a previous decision. The decision to whether or not have sex. Since she is getting an abortion then she must have made up her mind. But with the decision of sex, also comes the consequence of having a baby lest the condoms fails. By going through with having sex, she agrees that she will have a baby lest the condoms fail. Thus, logically, you are contradicting yourself when you stand by the right of abortion. Aren't you dizzy looking at the backwards decisions of the average American woman???

07-03-09, 08:39 PM	#50
anti-abiding Student Join Date: Jul 2009 Last Seen: 09-16-09 07:04 PM Posts: 178 Thanks: 29 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Abortion is wrong TheNextEra, if you support women rights then you also support the decision of an American woman. The average American woman who commits to abortion (who isn't raped) had a previous decision. The decision to whether or not have sex. Since she is getting an abortion then she must have made up her mind. But with the decision of sex, also comes the consequence of having a baby lest the condoms fails. By going through with having sex, she agrees that she will have a baby lest the condoms fail. Thus, logically, you are contradicting yourself when you stand by the right of abortion. Aren't you dizzy looking at the backwards decisions of the average American woman???

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