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Raped 9-Year-Old Has Abortion

The church was full aware that excommunicating the mother means the daughter won't be in church.

Also, the archbishop absolutely did go on TV, just go to youtube. He's all over the place on Brazilian news, BBC, etc....

Yeah lets not let facts get in the way of defending a man with the same fervor one would defend God. :doh
 
Well the vatican came out today to agree with the archbishop.

"God's law is above any human law. So when a human law ... is contrary to God's law, this human law has no value,'' Archbiship Sobrinho had said.

He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed "a heinous crime ... the abortion -- the elimination of an innocent life -- was more serious''.

Cardinal Re agreed, saying: "Excommunication for those who carried out the abortion is just'' as a pregnancy termination always meant ending an innocent life.

Vatican backs abortion excommunications | The Courier-Mail

Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, head of the Catholic church's Congregation for Bishops, told the daily La Stampa today that the twins the girl had been carrying had a right to live.

"It is a sad case but the real problem is that the twins conceived were two innocent persons, who had the right to live and could not be eliminated,'' he said.

Cardinal Re, who also heads the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, added: "Life must always be protected, the attack on the Brazilian church is unjustified.''

What I don't understand is why the church doesn't also excommunicate the step-daddy diddler. Coming down hard on a pedophile is exactly the kind of PR the Catholic church needs. But instead now they haul out a cardinal from the Vatican who reiterates it was right to excommunicate the mother and he too says nothing about the diddler. :confused:

Makes no sense.
 
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From the same article....

The website of the news group Globo reported that another girl, aged 11, had been found to be seven months pregnant following alleged sexual abuse at the hands of her adoptive father.

The girl has said she does not intend to seek an abortion, according to reports.

Jesus. Seems to me if the Catholic Church really cared about stopping abortions they might want to take a stance against perverted men who rape the children under their guardianship.
 
Well the vatican came out today to agree with the archbishop.



Vatican backs abortion excommunications | The Courier-Mail



What I don't understand is why the church doesn't also excommunicate the step-daddy diddler. Coming down hard on a pedophile is exactly the kind of PR the Catholic church needs. But instead now they haul out a cardinal from the Vatican who reiterates it was right to excommunicate the mother and he too says nothing about the diddler. :confused:

Makes no sense.

Yeah and when Cardinal Boylove gets his MD, maybe then he gets a say in whether or not a therapeutic abortion was necessary for this traumatized 9 year old girl. Until then, he can suck on a communion wafer.
 
Jesus. Seems to me if the Catholic Church really cared about stopping abortions they might want to take a stance against perverted men who rape the children under their guardianship.

He also committed the sin of adultry.
 
He also committed the sin of adultry.

Yeah, the Catholic Church doesn't care much about sins unless they are sins of the mother. Their excommunications have always smacked of misogyny.

All women who aim for the priesthood are excommunicated. Mothers protecting their 9 year olds are excommunicated.

Priests who diddle alter boys are protected under the umbrella of the church and apparently dads who diddle their daughters are also welcome at the table.

You won't find God in church. I've yet to find God. But I know he ain't at church, at least not any God worth getting on my knees for.
 
From the same article....



Jesus. Seems to me if the Catholic Church really cared about stopping abortions they might want to take a stance against perverted men who rape the children under their guardianship.

Nobody is trying to defend pedophilia as a perfectly morally sound action.
 
Yeah, the Catholic Church doesn't care much about sins unless they are sins of the mother. Their excommunications have always smacked of misogyny.
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:

All women who aim for the priesthood are excommunicated. Mothers protecting their 9 year olds are excommunicated.

Priests who diddle alter boys are protected under the umbrella of the church and apparently dads who diddle their daughters are also welcome at the table.

You won't find God in church. I've yet to find God. But I know he ain't at church, at least not any God worth getting on my knees for.

Why do you keep on insisting on misrepresenting what the Church teaches. You straw-man characterization is your own twisted fabrication based in a lack of understanding Catholic theology. No better than the worst anti-Catholic drivel.

And jallman wants to accuse me of PMS rather than having a legitimate beef with all the bitchy lies being put forth about the Church.:roll:
 
Nobody is trying to defend pedophilia as a perfectly morally sound action.

Right, but the church and its defenders are in this mess because they are caught up in consistency which is highly over-rated as a moral authority . 9 times out of 10 a sexual sin is going to be less of a sin than taking a life. So for consistencies sake the mother in this scenario is hung out to dry along with her daughter while the monster may still find shelter in the church.

Sometimes consistency is blinding. One of those men in robes ought to be morally sound enough to toss the father to the wolves.
 
Right, but the church and its defenders are in this mess because they are caught up in consistency which is highly over-rated as a moral authority . 9 times out of 10 a sexual sin is going to be less of a sin than taking a life. So for consistencies sake the mother in this scenario is hung out to dry along with her daughter while the monster may still find shelter in the church.

Sometimes consistency is blinding. One of those men in robes ought to be morally sound enough to toss the father to the wolves.

That doesn't even make sense.

The STEP-father already wallows with pigs.:roll:

Sometimes personal bigotry blinds one to the objective facts of the matter.
 
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:



Why do you keep on insisting on misrepresenting what the Church teaches. You straw-man characterization is your own twisted fabrication based in a lack of understanding Catholic theology. No better than the worst anti-Catholic drivel.

And jallman wants to accuse me of PMS rather than having a legitimate beef with all the bitchy lies being put forth about the Church.:roll:

Where did I lie about the church? The Catholic faith has a history of discrimination against women. Mary holds unique status within the faith only because she supposedly had a virgin birth. Makes her less slutty and sinful than the rest of us wenches.

The Catholic Church, last year, excommunicated all women priests. Now, they could have just come out and said, "There's no such thing as a woman priest...." but they had to excommunicate them. Meanwhile pedophiles run wild in the church and you never see a guy in a robe and hat on tv saying boo about it. I guess a woman not knowing her place in life is far more grievous than a guy sticking his shlong where it doesn't belong. Meanwhile, for consistency sake, divorce is allowed in exchange for $$$. In order to be consistently anti-divorce the men in funny hats accept money in exchange for a decree note that states a marriage never happened. :roll:

The house of God is sliding down a hill of irrelevancy doomed to antiquity and I personally don't see them doing anything to slow the velocity of their inevitable demise.
 
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That doesn't even make sense.

The STEP-father already wallows with pigs.:roll:

Sometimes personal bigotry blinds one to the objective facts of the matter.

The stepfather can receive communion still, the mother may not. Happy happy joy joy.
 
Has the Catholic church EVER bent their own rules in such matters? You want this to be a "special case" for them?

you act as though the father got a freepass? What Catholic law did he break that he did not receive proper punishment for?

You can disagree all you want with the Catholic church but it appears they are being 100% consistant with their stated dogma.

Isn't that the problem? the dogma appears to be out of whack with how Jesus himself would have acted?
You can see that is the case in almost ANY religion nowadays....
 
Isn't that the problem? the dogma appears to be out of whack with how Jesus himself would have acted?
You can see that is the case in almost ANY religion nowadays....

Like I said sometimes consistency is over-rated. Consistency should never be a moral authority. We're not computers.
 
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:

Well they kind of are. Have you read Augustine and Aquinas recently?


And jallman wants to accuse me of PMS rather than having a legitimate beef with all the bitchy lies being put forth about the Church.:roll:

Well excuse me. You used to be able to take a joke.
 
Where did I lie about the church?
Did I say you lied? I said you "misrepresented." To lie means assumes that you are being purposeful false, rather than simply poorly informed and formulating your statements based on ignorance.

Oh--that is unless you are intentionally doing it and you saw yourself in my statement about "bitchy lies."

The Catholic faith has a history of discrimination against women. Mary holds unique status within the faith only because she supposedly had a virgin birth. Makes her less slutty and sinful than the rest of us wenches.
See--that's ignorance. There's plenty Biblically that show her virginity prefigured in the OT--but since I'm pretty certain you're not interested in rational theological discussion, and would rather continue with the Catholic bashing, I'll save the effort.

The Catholic Church, last year, excommunicated all women priests. Now, they could have just come out and said, "There's no such thing as a woman priest...." but they had to excommunicate them.
There are also solid theological reasons for the male only priesthood, and to obstinately deny tenets of the faith and to further actively flout it is grounds for excommunication.

Meanwhile pedophiles run wild in the church and you never see a guy in a robe and hat on tv saying boo about it.
Bull****. The Church has accepted her failings and apologized profusely and made extensive strides in addressing never letting it happen again. In fact, in order for me to even be able to supervise a youth center at my local parish, I had to go through something called Veritas training. USCCB - (OCYP) - Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People This is one of the ways the Church has addressed the issue.

The Pope himself has REPEATEDLY expressed regret and sorrow and disgust over that chapter in time. YouTube - Pope Benedict XVI apologizes for pedophile priests

To say no robed/hatted man has said boo is an utter LIE because unless you have lived under a rock and plugged your ears to it, the Church has done penance for it and continues to do so.

I guess a woman not knowing her place in life is far more grievous than a guy sticking his shlong where it doesn't belong. Meanwhile, for consistency sake, divorce is allowed in exchange for $$$. In order to be consistently anti-divorce the men in funny hats accept money in exchange for a decree note that states a marriage never happened. :roll:
Get your parent's annulment and read it. It's not like that at all.


The other part is just you being offensive for the sake of being offensive.
The house of God is sliding down a hill of irrelevancy doomed to antiquity and I personally don't see them doing anything to slow the velocity of their inevitable demise.
Your opinion of the Church changes nothing. It has survived persecution in the past, it continues to do so.
 
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Well they kind of are. Have you read Augustine and Aquinas recently?
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?



Well excuse me. You used to be able to take a joke.
So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.
 
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Your opinion of the Church changes nothing. It has survived persecution in the past, it continues to do so.

Since the church is guilty of horrendous physical persecution against protestants, jews, "witches", heretics, etc. it should damn well know enough about persecution to deal with a bit of verbal persecution.
 
The stepfather can receive communion still, the mother may not. Happy happy joy joy.

That is absolutely false. Grave sin bars one from communion. The man is in mortal sin. You are full of the brown stuff again.
 
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?



So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.

What is heresy, if not simply teaching something that goes against church teachings? And why should any of us suppose that the church is the sole source of truth and light?
 
Since the church is guilty of horrendous physical persecution against protestants, jews, "witches", heretics, etc. it should damn well know enough about persecution to deal with a bit of verbal persecution.

I suppose history means nothing to bigots.:doh
 
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?

St Augustine said:
I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?

Thomas Aquinas said:
The female is the misbegotten male...

You're not really gonna sit here and try to refute that Augustine, at least, was a rabid misogynist who injected a genuine hatred of women and a blame for all original sin on them into the Catholic dialogue are you?

Reaally?

So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.

I was talking about you and me PMS'ing the same week. But whatever.
 
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