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Raped 9-Year-Old Has Abortion

Felicity said:
You are simply wrong. In the article you quoted from Catholic Encyclopedia, under the heading "Who can absolve from excommunication?" It says...
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Again I think you're wrong. If you were not officially excommunicated by a bishop and you simply are a woman who has had an abortion then you might fall under the fourth example. However in this instance we are talking about a woman who did not have an abortion, her excommunication is not the indirect you had an abortion you're excommunicated by defacto type. This woman was called out by an archbishop and publicly excommunicated along with the drs. involved. She does not fall under the fourth type. She is either the second or third type.

I believe the fourth type speaks to excommunications that are never announced. Such as everyone who aborts is excommunicated. It was never declared officially, it's defacto.

That is not the case in this instance and I have no idea why you think it would be. She was EXCOMMUNICATED BY AN ARCHBISHOP ON TV.
 
Felicity said:
You know what, talloulou, I apologize. In the case of abortion--one would need to get the verbal okay from the bishop. But a regular priest can arrange that.
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Also, understand this lady did not have an abortion. Her excommunication is not the abortion type. It's something else. She was called out by an archbishop. She didn't abort.
 
talloulou said:
Well I did find it funny that one of the drs. involved in this case said he really didn't care if he was excommunicated or not he was still going to church whenever he felt like it. :mrgreen:
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Well when you lost all credibility by covering up the rape of little boys by your underlings, that's the type of attitude the church can expect from people.
 
talloulou said:
Again I think you're wrong. If you were not officially excommunicated by a bishop and you simply are a woman who has had an abortion then you might fall under the fourth example. However in this instance we are talking about a woman who did not have an abortion, her excommunication is not the indirect you had an abortion you're excommunicated by defacto type. This woman was called out by an archbishop and publicly excommunicated along with the drs. involved. She does not fall under the fourth type. She is either the second or third type.

I believe the fourth type speaks to excommunications that are never announced. Such as everyone who aborts is excommunicated. It was never declared officially, it's defacto.

That is not the case in this instance and I have no idea why you think it would be. She was EXCOMMUNICATED BY AN ARCHBISHOP ON TV.
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See above. But actually, she excommunicated HERSELF--the bishop just clarified the Church teaching on the matter. Also--All accomplished abortions are the same--whether publically announced or not.
 
talloulou said:
Also, understand this lady did not have an abortion. Her excommunication is not the abortion type. It's something else. She was called out by an archbishop. She didn't abort.
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Well didn't you know? She opted to care for her daughter rather than kiss the bishop's ass when he threw his tantrum. So he excommunicated her.
 
talloulou said:
Also, understand this lady did not have an abortion. Her excommunication is not the abortion type. It's something else. She was called out by an archbishop. She didn't abort.
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Participating in the killing is what excommunicates--not actually having the abortion done, That's why the girl isn't at fault. Also, why a forced or coerced abortion also mitigates culpability. However, the bishop warned of the penalty prior to the abortion taking place.
 
jallman said:
Well the public humiliation, especially in a predominantly catholic country, is the serious injury to a person. Who is really worried that a man dressed in drag carrying a staff is really gonna stop you from going to heaven if he throws a tantrum?
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You know...Crucifixion was pretty ****ing humiliating too.

Think about it.
 
Felicity said:
See above. But actually, she excommunicated HERSELF--the bishop just clarified the Church teaching on the matter. Also--All accomplished abortions are the same--whether publically announced or not.
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She did not excommunicate herself. First off there are 4 levels of excommunication.

She herself did not have an abortion.

An archbishop announced she was excommunicated live on tv.

The same bishop said the diddler was not excommunicated a couple seconds later.

I don't care to argue this with you anymore. Suffice it to say when an archbishop excommunicates you it takes AT LEAST a bishop to reinstate you.
 
All I know is I'd rather share my table with the kid and the mom. The step daddy diddler should be hogtied and tossed in a basement.

Those are my morals. If Catholic archbishops and I don't see eye to eye it's not because I'm a bad person.
 
talloulou said:
All I know is I'd rather share my table with the kid and the mom. The step daddy diddler should be hogtied and tossed in a basement.

Those are my morals. If Catholic archbishops and I don't see eye to eye it's not because I'm a bad person.
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I'm happy to say, without reservation, that I feel exactly the same way. :mrgreen:
 
prometeus said:
Next we will have burnings at the stake to make a stronger point.
Return to the dark ages where compliance had to be enforced by the threat of excommunication from the body of a loving and forgiving God.
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Yes, that sounds like the next step, I'm sure of it.
 
Another weird thing...step dad is 23, abused girl is 9 and has a sister who is 14...how old is the mother? Or was mom a very young mother too?

Just strange. Even I can figure out that math doesn't add up right.
 
Felicity said:
NOT for procuring an abortion. Repentance and Confession is all that is needed.
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Why did the Pope not recently excommunicate Nancy Pelosi? He had her right there in front of him. Hasn't she politically been on the side of abortion as have a number of prominent Catholic's. Seems all it takes is giving a few bucks to Planned Parenthood to get an excommunication for abortion as I understand it. I've seen nuns prancing around with pro-abortion signs in the past. What gives?
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
Why did the Pope not recently excommunicate Nancy Pelosi? He had her right there in front of him. Hasn't she politically been on the side of abortion as have a number of prominent Catholic's. Seems all it takes is giving a few bucks to Planned Parenthood to get an excommunication for abortion as I understand it. I've seen nuns prancing around with pro-abortion signs in the past. What gives?
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I can only guess that practicing is held at different level of contempt than preaching.
 
Felicity said:
Another weird thing...step dad is 23, abused girl is 9 and has a sister who is 14...how old is the mother? Or was mom a very young mother too?

Just strange. Even I can figure out that math doesn't add up right.
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Not that weird to me.

A pedophile would certainly look to hook up with an older woman with young children.
 
Felicity said:
Another weird thing...step dad is 23, abused girl is 9 and has a sister who is 14...how old is the mother? Or was mom a very young mother too?

Just strange. Even I can figure out that math doesn't add up right.
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Mother is late 20s early 30s. Makes perfect sense. I know a few couples where there is a 'stepfather' figure that isn't much older then the kids themselves and seeing as how this is Latin America, it doesn't seem all that surprising that the mother would have been underage.

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As far as the story goes. That's pretty sick and low in class. I mean not just the fact that the church excommunicated a 9 year old kid. I don't find any religious group or even non-religious group going the extra mile to go after a kid all that surprising. Muslims, Jews, Atheists - damn - even Buddhists have been known to go ape **** when kids and religion are in the sentence - why shouldn't Christians get a shot? But how the guy excommunicated them on national television. Seems like the worst way to excommunicate somebody. Wouldn't a letter or a personal visit have sufficed? Was it really necessary to go on TV about it?
 
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Chanda said:
:thinking I'm not a math expert either, but I got this:

1,300,000 x .003 = 3,900
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Yea!!!!...Felicity sucks at something!!!! Let's all take this opportunity to laugh at her and revel in her area of weakness--no matter how long after the fact it is, that it has been fixed twice, and despite her admission of weakness in the matter!!!!

:rofl:rofl:2razz:

Grow up.:roll:
 
Hatuey said:
Mother is late 20s early 30s. Makes perfect sense. I know a few couples where there is a 'stepfather' figure that isn't much older then the kids themselves and seeing as how this is Latin America, it doesn't seem all that surprising that the mother would have been underage.
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Mom apparently "likes 'em young" too!

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As far as the story goes. That's pretty sick and low in class. I mean not just the fact that the church excommunicated a 9 year old kid.
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That did not happen.

I don't find any religious group or even non-religious group going the extra mile to go after a kid all that surprising. Muslims, Jews, Atheists - damn - even Buddhists have been known to go ape **** when kids and religion are in the sentence - why shouldn't Christians get a shot? But how the guy excommunicated them on national television. Seems like the worst way to excommunicate somebody. Wouldn't a letter or a personal visit have sufficed? Was it really necessary to go on TV about it?
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People really need to know what occurred prior to forming an opinion.:roll:
 
Felicity said:
Yea!!!!...Felicity sucks at something!!!! Let's all take this opportunity to laugh at her and revel in her area of weakness--no matter how long after the fact it is, that it has been fixed twice, and despite her admission of weakness in the matter!!!!

:rofl:rofl:2razz:

Grow up.:roll:
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An attempt to arrive at the correct answer is not an attack on you in any way (the post was not even directed to you). Most of us left 5th grade math behind a long time ago and are still insecure in dealing with it. Get over it.
 
OKgrannie said:
An attempt to arrive at the correct answer is not an attack on you in any way (the post was not even directed to you). Most of us left 5th grade math behind a long time ago and are still insecure in dealing with it. Get over it.
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Yeah...that's why you thanked it--after you were the SECOND to correct me after I said I thought something might have been awry, you thought a THIRD correction was a "useful post." :roll:

But thanks anyway for acknowledging 5th grade math is troublesome to many. For me--I think 4th grade was when I noticed boys and I guess I found them more interesting than numbers.
 
Felicity said:
Yeah...that's why you thanked it--after you were the SECOND to correct me after I said I thought something might have been awry, you thought a THIRD correction was a "useful post." :roll:

But thanks anyway for acknowledging 5th grade math is troublesome to many. For me--I think 4th grade was when I noticed boys and I guess I found them more interesting than numbers.
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I may have been the 2nd to "correct" you, but there were 3 different answers from 3 different people. I was just glad to see that the 4th answer agreed with ME, so the "thanks" reflects MY insecurity. I guess we might have more answers coming....perhaps a different one altogether.
 
Felicity said:
Yeah...that's why you thanked it--after you were the SECOND to correct me after I said I thought something might have been awry, you thought a THIRD correction was a "useful post." :roll:

But thanks anyway for acknowledging 5th grade math is troublesome to many. For me--I think 4th grade was when I noticed boys and I guess I found them more interesting than numbers.
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Wow...are we being a bit tempermental today, missy? I guess we must be cycling together this month. :mrgreen:
 
Felicity said:
Mom apparently "likes 'em young" too!

That did not happen.

People really need to know what occurred prior to forming an opinion.:roll:
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The church was full aware that excommunicating the mother means the daughter won't be in church.

Also, the archbishop absolutely did go on TV, just go to youtube. He's all over the place on Brazilian news, BBC, etc....
 
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