Child fatalities - Page 2

new coup for you · 07-08-08, 07:39 PM

I suspect Americans have more child fatalities because we drive more

talloulou · 07-08-08, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by new coup for you

I suspect Americans have more child fatalities because we drive more

Yeah, that was Yates problem, her driving.

new coup for you · 07-08-08, 07:45 PM

lol, "too soon, too soon!"

talloulou · 07-08-08, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

There is no relevant remark here to my comment. We have two decisions. First, whether abortion should be allowed. That is of course a hardcore ethics/morality spit and spat (of very little interest). Second, we have the repercussions of the exact abortion policy that is implemented. Once abortion is allowed, the problems generated by restrictive policies become paramount

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The paper's findings suggest that any restrictions (I gave 3!) on abortion availability will increase maltreatment.

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How does the maltreatment occurring earlier eliminate it oh logical one?

It's entirely relevant you goof. You're basically arguing if we restrict abortion moms will kill their offspring anyway, later.

Maltreatment occurs either way. You can't kill your offspring and claim you've somehow mercifully saved him or her from maltreatment. Would kind of deranged deluded insanity is that?

Scucca · 07-08-08, 07:55 PM

I appreciated that the more one dimensional pro-life plank would fail to appreciate the argument. Whilst I'm quite happy for them to rattle on about their morality, this is something a tad more. Its about, once abortion is allowed, the rational policy that should be implemented. Some studies, for example, suggest that parental control over abortions reduces sexually transmitted diseases. Here, we have the alternative side. Restrictions are harmful (and linked to the abortion/crime analysis)

talloulou · 07-08-08, 07:59 PM

Abortion may very well be the solution to the maltreatment of children. Certainly folks can no longer be maltreated after you kill them. So it does deal nicely with the prospect of chronic maltreatment. Just one big assault and you're done. Like ripping off a band-aid. But it's not the only solution and arguably may not be the best one.

Scucca · 07-08-08, 08:14 PM

Your ramble isn't useful. You'd have a point if I was crowing "is abortion moral?". I'm not. I'm talking about the optimality of pro-choice policy.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 07-08-08, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

I have the empirical study in front of me. What are you interested in? Data, empirical methodology?

show me. or is this another fantasy pay per view study....

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I made my argument rather clear. The paper's findings suggest that any restrictions (I gave 3!) on abortion availability will increase maltreatment. Liberalism therefore here refers to the elimination of those restrictions

A rather absurd argument with no backup.

Scucca · 07-08-08, 08:27 PM

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show me. or is this another fantasy pay per view study....

Published journals tend to rely on money to pay for publication. How easy do you right wingers hate the market?

I'm happy to provide any information you require. Data source? Econometric methodology? What?

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A rather absurd argument with no backup.

Given my comment was a clarification, that was you in vacuous overdrive

talloulou · 07-08-08, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

Published journals tend to rely on money to pay for publication. How easy do you right wingers hate the market?

I'm happy to provide any information you require. Data source? Econometric methodology? What?

Given my comment was a clarification, that was you in vacuous overdrive

Your daft. First off, what percent of child fatalities are due to neglect and abuse? I'm thinking NCFY is probably spot on when he points to cars, and then there's bikes, etc. I bet the overwhelming vast majority of child fatalities have nothing to do with neglect or abuse. So before we can even suggest less restrictions on abortion will bring down the child fatality rate in the US we need to know what the abuse/neglect fatality rate is. I'm betting in regards to total child fatalities it's fairly low.